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in reply to MR. HOOPER by a reference to Halli- have been “ Vicentini,” which would be more con-
well, voc. “Dunstable.” It is just possible that gruous.

MR. HOOPER may have confused“ Downright
Dunstable" with another expression, perhaps with

The lines on these parishes used to run :that which I am about to mention. Some years

Beggarly Bisley, strutting Stroud, ago I was told by a lady, native of the place, that

Mincing Hampton, and Tetbury proud, the by-name of Deddington, a small market town of what Tetbury was supposed to be proud I and parish six miles south of Banbury, the cake cannot say.

Mildenball, town, was “ Drunken Deddington.” Probably this eke-name is still green.

F. ADAMS. ANTAGONISM' (8th S. iii. 228).— The lecture on 105, Albany Road, Camberwell, S.E.

'Antagonism' to which L. refers was delivered at I am not aware of an authority for “Downright the Royal Institution on April 20, 1888, by Lord Dunstable” meaning drunk. But “As plain as Justice Grove.

B. W. 8. Dunstable by-way” is quite ancient, from which it seems to have an opposite sepse :

JOAN LISTON (8th S. iii. 143, 216).-Iv 1831, “ These men walked by walkes, and the sayyinge is by the chance introduction of James Prescott many biwalkes, many balkee, manyo balkes muche Warde, the actor, I had a bowing acquaintance stumblynge, and where much' stumblynge is, there is with Liston. At that period he lived in one of sometime a fal, how beit ther were some good Walkers the two low-built houses, with square plato-glass among them, that walked in the Kynges bighe waye windows, adjoining to St. George's Hospital, and thys purpose, I woulde shewe you an hystoryo which was, with his wife, a most_constant attendant at is written in the thyrde of the kynges” (1 Kings i, and the Chapel Royal at St. James's, where be bad ii., note).—Latimer's 'Seven Sermons,' 1549, Arber, two sittings under the permission of William IV.

He dressed rather conspicuously, in nankin trousers There is a reference to this in Hazlitt's 'English and waistcoat, laurel-green coat with gilt buttons, Proverbs,' 1882, with more in illustration. This pink silk hose, shoes with large bows of broad is a book with which contributors seem to me not black ribbon, and a white bat. As on Sandays, be so familiar as one might expect.

on his way to the Chapel Royal, he carried a large ED. MARSHALL quarto Prayer Book, bound in red morocco, under


arm, I may be wrong in assuming that “Downright

he was the object of general attention.

It was well known that he had been supercargo Dunstable" means bacchi plenus, but the passage on which I based my opinion seems to justify it. on board a merchantman before he became an

actor. Here it is :

HUGH OWEN, F.S.A. "A merry Bottle is Meat, Drink and Cloaths; For my “ COMMENCED M.A.” (8th S. iii. 8, 57, 155). — part. I have wound up my Bottom, the Wine is got into Does not this expression refer to the fact that there my Pericranium; I am down-right Dunstable.”

were two steps necessary to complete taking the This is from “Petronins Arbiter. Made English M.A. degree ? Bachelors might be admitted ad by Mr. Wilson and others, sold at The Raven, incipiendum in artibus at any time after three Pater-poster-row, 1708.” JAMES HOOPER,

years from the completion" of their B.A. degree. Norwich.

They were then called inceptors, and they became "It [Downright Dunstable] is applied to things plain complete Masters of Arts by creation on Commenceand simple, without either welt or guard to adorn them, ment day. Non-resident Bachelors certainly only as also to matters easy and obvious to be found without make one visit to Cambridge in order to take their any difficulty or direction. Such this road: being broad Master's degree. But when I was

an underand beaten, as the confluence of many leading to London from the north and north-west parts of this land."

graduate (1857–61) Bachelor fellows at the end of Fuller's · Worthies.'

their third year used to appear in chapel without JOAN CHURCHILL SIKES. their Bachelor's hood for some weeks, and were 13, Wolverton Gardens, Hammersmith, W.

supposed to be "commencing M.A.” They bad worth noting. I heard it from one of our servants degree could be taken at any time after three years In this connexion the following verse may be ceased to be Bachelors, but were not fall Masters.

It should be remembered that though the M.A. in Rome, in 1843:

from the B.A. degree, such Masters of Arts bad
Veneziani, gran' signori ;
Padovesi, gran' dottori;

not their full privileges of voting, &c., until the
Varesini, mangia' gatti;

Commencement day. W. D. SWEETING.
Veronesi, tutti matti.

Maxey, Market Deeping.
I quote from memory; but tbe only place-Dame The word “Commencement " is universally used
I am at all uncertain about is that in the third in the United States to mark the close of the
line. Varese is an insignificant place to be academic or collegiate year. At such times the
bracketed with the cities mentioned. It may programmes, &c., usually bear the heading of

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“ Commencement Exercises.” I have heard it Dover as a seat of the old trade in slaves from accounted for as indicating that now the real work England; but the following extract is given, from of life commences for the graduates. DOLLAR. "the contemporary biography of Wulfstan, who

In the American colleges and aniversities the was Bishop of Worcester at the time of the Conday at the end of term, on which occasion the quest,” relating to Bristol :degrees are conferred, &c.,

is known as Com,

“There is a sea-port town called Bristol, opposite to

Ireland, into which its inhabitants make frequent voyages mencement." And even the schools of this on account of trade. Wulfstan cured the people of this country, primary and advanced, which hold closing town of a most odious and inveterate custom, which they exercises (as most of them do) dignify these exer- derived from their ancestors, of buying men and women cises with the namo Commencement,” which in all parts of England, and exporting them to Ireland appears to show a gross misapprehension of the for the sake of gain. The young women they commonly significance of the term, as indicated by MR. Cass. got with child, and carried

them to market in their At the larger colleges the functions connected might

have seen with sorrow long ranks of young persons

pregnancy, that they might bring a better price. You with graduation may extend over several days, of both sexes, and of the greatest beauty, tied together sometimes a week, in which case it is known as with ropes, and daily exposed to eale ; nor were these “ Commencement" week,

men ashamed, 0 horrid wickedness! to give up their A. MONTGOMERY HANDY.

nearest relations, nay, their own children, to slavery."

Wharton's ' Anglia Sacra,' ii. 258. New Brighton, N.Y., U.8.

It is stated the principal purchasers of the slaves Its” (8th S. iii. 147). – In reply to D. C. T. " were probably the Danes, or Oscmen (that is I am happy to be able to offer him some confirma- Eastern men), as they were called " who tion of his date for the appearance of “its.” In masters of nearly the whole line of the coast of my glossary to Ben Jonson's works (unfortunately Ireland opposite to Britain. The slaves which still in manuscript) I have noted “its, first appear- attracted the attention of St. Augustine in Rome, ance? 'Epicene,' ii. 3.” This reference was to at an earlier period, would probably be sent from Cunningham's Globe edition of Gifford's 'Ben Dover or its neighbourhood. Jonson' (vol. i. p. 421). " Its” occurs three times

J. F. MANSERGH, there, “its knees,” “its fees,” and “its diet.” Liverpool. There are eleven uses of “it” in the same passage, chiefly "it knighthood," where we would say “its,"

Either your contributor MR. JOSEPH COLLINshowing that this was a transitional period. The son or Dr. Canningham is wrong. I am sure the date of this text of the play is that of the first Dover slave market referred to is that in New folio of Ben Jonson, 1616, which is the very date

Hampshire, United States, America. J. P. E. in question. 'Epicene' appeared in quarto several times from 1609 to 1616, but I have never seen early edition of Tanner (Os., 1695) has this short

Er ABBEY (8th S. iii. 129).- Ey in Suffolk. The a copy, and I cannot find one in Dublin. I have notice of it :referred to the folio, and find "it's,” printed with the apostrophe however, recurring as quoted above, (temp. Will. Conq.) and commended to the patronage of

“A priory of Benedictines founded by Robert Malet and the same in the folio of 1640.

St. Peter. It was a cell to Bernay in Normandy, but H. CAICHESTER HART. Richard II, made it Prioratus indigena, and so it conP.S.-Does the above tend to show that we owe tinued till the Suppression, at which time it was rated at “its" to Ben Jonson ?

1611. 2s. 3d. per an. Dugd: 1841. 98. 7d. ob. Speed. Vide

. Mon, Angl.' t. i. p. 356. Rog. Pones Th. Dey de Eya. I am afraid I cannot throw any additional light Gen.”—P. 210. upon D. C. T.'s query; but it may be worth while There are transcripts of the Chartulary in the to point out that, although this word is found in British Museum, Add. MS. 8178 ; Arund. MS. one place in the Authorized Version of the Bible, 921 (Sims).

ED. MARSHALL. it must not be supposed that it stood there in the original edition of 1611. As is noted in the margin relating to Eye, in Suffolk, in Mr. J. Cordy Jeaffre

MR. WALLER will find much curious matter of the Revised

Version, the reading there," son's report on the MSS. of the Corporation of the passage (Leviticus xxv. 5) standing which groweth of it own accord." Was this Eye, printed in appendix, part iv. to the tenth

The accidental, or are there instances of "it" being Report of the Hist. MSS. Com., 1885. used where we should now say " its "? If so, "it following probably refer to the building inquired may in such sentences have grown into “its ” of

about:its own accord,


(a.) "24 Edward I. Note that Edmund Cornubie took Blackheath.

the keeping of the Priory of Eye, after the death of

Richard the late Prior." THE DOVER SLAVE TRADE (8th S. iii. 109).- and others, with return, that Robert Mallett founded the

(e.) "7 Edward II, Inquisitio made by Peter Burgati In the History of British Commerce,' by Geo. L. priory of Eye with his lands and possessions, &c., and

the Craik, M.A. (1844), there is no special mention of same priory is so subject. Abbacie de Berniaco in Normannia tanquam cella ejusdem Abbatie,' and that neither tonian widow. I cannot give a more complete prior nor monk can be made in that priory without the reference, for I have not the book by me. will and assent of the Abbot of the said abbey."

Com. LINC. R. HUDSON. Lapwortb.


127). — The Latin form of this proverb is in Pliny, ALTAR (8th S. iii. 168).—Without at all wishing "N.'h., viii. 16. The Greek form in the collecto give offence to the numerous readers and con- tions of proverbs is áci dépet ti Außún kakov. tributors of ‘N. & Q.,' or tread upon polemical See Gaisl., 'Paroëm. Græc., Oxon., 1832, pp. 6, corns, let me say that the term “altar," as applied 108, 266. At the last of these references there is to the communion table, cannot in some instances, a note from Schottus, which mentions the line of at any rate, be considered as objectionable. For Anaxilas, in Athenæus, lib. xiv. p. 623, and the instance, What better or more fitting term than use of it by Aristotle, Hist. An.,' 1. viii. c. 28. altar-piece could be applied to many fine paintings But Anaxilas and Aristotle in this place appear at the eastern end of many churches, both on the to have kaivóv for the Kakóv of the proverb writers. Continent and in England ? Notably in Oxford there Büchmann, 1892, also refers to Aristotle, 'De are two fine specimens of them, as the “ Noli me Generatione An.' ii. 5, where, too, it is kalvóv. tangere" at All Souls' College, by Raffaelle Mengs,

ED. MARSHALL. and Christ bearing the Cross,' at Magdalen College, said to be by Moralez, or Morales, a Spanish artist.

Stephen Gosson has the following variant of this The most singular one I ever saw was at Man expression in 'The Ephemerides of Phialo, an chester Cathedral, many years ago, when a fine extract from the commencement

of which work is piece of tapestry did duty as an altar-piece re- given in Arber's reprint of “The Schoole of Abuse presenting the offerings of the early Christians and (1579), pp. 62–3, 1868:the death of Ananias and Sapphira. But this has

“This Doctour of Affrike with a straunge kinde of long since departed. There used to be an old book style beging to write thus: To his frinds the Plaiers, and entitled Companion to the Altar,' in the frontis- down in his study, lonkes about for his bookes, takes per

to win eare, at the first like a perfect Orator, he sittes piece of which Queen Anne was represented kneel. in hand, and as manerly as he can, breathes out this ing. The Morning Post used to speak, also, in oracle from the threefooted-stoole of Pythia Africa former years, of going, or leading, to "the hymeneal semper aliquid apportat noui. There is euer a new altar."

JOHN PICKFORD, M.A. knack in a knaues hood, or some kind of monster to be Newbourne Rectory, Woodbridge.

sene in Affrik."

F. C. BIRKBECK TERRY. As our Prayer Book Dever used this word, which Laud introduced, Archbishop Williams, of York,

Coe: “TO TAKE ONE'S CUE FROM" (8 S. iii. wrote against him a book addressed to the in: 187).- I cannot answer DR. MURRAY's first query, cumbent " of Gr.” (Grantham), insisting that the but as to the second I can testify, from my own Lord's Table should be called a table, and " placed practical experience on the stage and knowledge tablewise," :.e., not used while standing against of the stage, that no MS. or play is over marked an east wall,“ like a dresser or a sideboard," but with Q, or qu, or cue—and I have examined and

A brought out into the middle of the church, and set read hundreds of plays, ancient and modero. lengthwise, so that the priest might stand on its cue is always understood, and is, of course, the north side, facing the light, and be best seen of the last three or four words of the last speech given people. When out of use, it was to be carried by the last speaker, i.e. actor. When a new part back to the east (or any convenient) wall.

is given to an actor to learn, or "study," as be E. L. G.

would term it, each cue is written in and under

scored with red ink, for him to learn, as well as Titus Oates (6th S. ix. 445; 7th S. xii. 209; his own cackle," or words," as the text of his gth s. iii. 156). – 02 this subject I would part is technically called. As a student of the remark that Titus Oates, the " plot” man, drama and dramatic literature, I should not have was baptized at Hastings (and probably born failed to note a thing so curious as “Q, a note of there too) in 1619, wbich puts his birth thirty entrance for actors," &c., had I come across it. (I years later than the date given by A. T. M. He may add, in parenthesis, that I have written on officiated as curate of All Saints', Hastings, in the subject of stage terms and slang in a work 1671. His father was rector of that parish from published in 1890.). Butler and Minsbeu must 1660 to 1683.

have drawn upon their imagination for their stateEDWARD H. MARSHALL, M.A.

ments. I have always upderstood that the EogHastings.

lish word came from the French queue. As to the Thomas Ward-commonly known as Tom Ward familiarity of the use of cue or O amongst players, -a dirty writer of the earlier part of the last cen- I may state that which must be obvious, i.e., that tury-bas in his writings (the four-volume edition) it is a common babit in the green-room, or at the a paper on Titas Oates having married a Muggle- wings, to say, "What's my cue ?" "Ah! that's


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my cue.” Would not this account for its being while, if any local reader of N. & Qo'should wish well known to Strype ? Actors proverbially use to koow where this house stood, he may be directed stage terms off the boards as well as on.

to the spot, almost

immediately opposite the WalS. J. ADAIR Fitz-GERALD. ham Green Police Station.

JNO. BLOUNDELLE-BURTON. The HOLY THORN (8th S. iii. 125, 177).- This

Barnes Common. variety is by no means uncommon. Indeed, it

so well known as not to be considered even CHARLES STEWARD, OF BRADFORD-ON-Avon a provincial term. Britten gives it (Dict. Plant (2nd S. vi. 327, 359 ; gihS. iii. 154, 195).-I think Names,' E. D.S.) as Cratægus oxyacanthus præcox. I can give a slight clue to the parentage of The writer had a very old one in his garden, wbich Cloudesley Stewart, mentioned by VERNON. He used to be watched at about Christmas time. It was probably a descendant of “James Stewart, nearly always put forth a sort of half-doveloped a naval officer killed in battle” (third son of Capt. spurious blossom in the depth of winter, which Andrew Stewart, who died 1650, ancestor of the sometimes in mild seasons might fairly be called Stewarts of Athenry), who is said to have married flower ; but there was no appearance of leaf, and a daughter of Rear-Admiral Sir Cloudesley Shovel. the winter blossom never matured. In April or It is not unlikely that a son or grandson may have May it blossomed freely, like other whitethorns, been named Cloudesley. Admiral Shovel (who and bore the usual crop of berries (haws). By the died 1707) seems to bave had two other daughters peasantry it is always called the “Holy Thorn,” and cobeirs : Elizabeth, married first, 1708, first while the "gentry” know it as the “Glastonbury Lord Romney; secondly, 1724, third Earl of Thorn." It certainly was not imported "some Hyndford ; and Anne, married Hon. Robert Manyears ago from Palestine,” for the tree above sel, and was mother of second Lord Mansel, of referred to was probably a bundred years old. Margam. From the dates it seems likely that

FRED. T. ELWORTHY. James Stewart's wife was older than either of The holy thorn of Glastonbury,

these daughters, and she may have been the issue planted by St. Joseph of Arimathes from a thorn of a previous marriage. I have many notes on the taken from our Lord's brow, was 80 highly

name of Stewart in connexion with the West reverenced that slips from it became a constant Indies, but pone for Nevis, and can give no article of merchandize in foreign countries, and information about any marriage between Stewart it used to be said that there was scarcely a gentle

and Pym.

SIGMA. man's park in Somerset which did not contain a plant grown from a slip of the Glastonbury 448). — Under this heading I inquired what was the

A FALSE QUOTATION IN JOHNSON (765 S. x. Thorn. It may therefore well have spread into true place of a passage given by Jobnson, s.v. other counties of England.

In my young days “Confection,”-
Mr. Lee Lee's park of Dillington, near Ilminster,
possessed one of these, and the cattle knelt down

Of best things then what world shall yield confection
To liken her?

Shakesp. to it every Old Christmas Eve (Epiphany), as was No answer was returned. I have just now found devoutly believed. This, nearly fifty years ago, it in Arcadia,' book i., the eclogue of Thyrsis and was gravely adduced to me as a reason that the Doras. Clearly he quoted from memory. What a New Style must be wrong. CHARLOTTE G. BOGER,

memory the man bad !-and how careless he someSt. Saviour's, Southwark.

times was in trusting it, C. B. MOUNT. Since records of the holy thorn and its filowering TRUMBULL (8th S. ii. 527 ; iii. 98, 154).-Col. vagaries seem likely enough to be kept in 'N. &Q., John Trumbull, painter, born Lebanon, Ct., June 6, I will add to other instances one tree that I have 1756 ; died New York, November 10, 1843 ; lately learnt was in the habit of blooming near Harvard University, 1773 ; son of Rev. Jonathan London not so very long ago. The neighbourhood Trumbull; retired from army, 1777 ; resided in was Walham Green—and none who only know London as pupil of West, the painter; imprisoned what a very unsavoury kind of locality this spot is eight months in retaliation for André's execution. now would believe, perhaps, what a pretty suburb it He painted 'Battle of Bunker's Hill'in 1786, was about thirty years ago—and the garden in which the Death of Montgomery' soon after, and in the thorn grew belonged to the house of the late 1788 the 'Sortie of the Garrison of Gibraltar,' now Lord Ravensworth, built originally by John Ord, in the Bosto Athepæum. In 1789-93 he was in the once M.P. for Midburst, and afterwards a Master United States painting the portraits for his his. in Chancery. Ord was a great horticulturist, and, torical pictures, the Declaration of Independence, among other things, possessed a holy thorn, which 'Surrender at Saratoga,''Surrender of Cornwallis, flowered on Christmas Day, 1793, and the second and the 'Resignation of Washington at Annapolis, edition of Lyson's 'Environs of London' contains, which now adorn the rotunda of the capitol at I am told, a description of its doing so. Mean Washington. In 1792 he painted the portrait of I 80


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Washington, representing him meditating his retreat SIR JOHN MENNES, KNT. (8th S. iii. 86, 153). the evening before the battle of Princetown. The --His will, dated May 15, 1669, was proved Trumbull Gallery at Yale College contains fifty- March 9, 1670/1 (“ 38 Duke"), in the Prerogative seven pictures by him, presented to that institution Court of Canterbury. As this was within a month in consideration of an annuity of a thousand dollars. of his death (as given ante, p. 86, by MR. HIPBesides the above-named are ‘Battle of Trenton,' WELL) the "search in vain ” of W. U. W. cannot

Surrender of the Hessians at Trenton,' 'Death of have been a very long one. In this will be leaves Mercer,'.' The Woman taken in Adultery,' “Suffer his lands, &c., at Loughton, co. Essex, &c., to little children to come unto me,” copies of old Francis Hammon, son of his late sister Mary masters, &c. See Trumbull's Autobiography,' Hammon, which Francis is, I presume, the one New York, 8vo. 1841. LEO COLLETON.

inquired after.


“ CROCODILE ” (8th S. iii. 127).-In this ladies'168). —The authorities for the scenes at the Manor college-famous town, the name is shortened to House are these :

Many a time have I heard my daughter Two original pamphlets, containing an account of talk of “Miss [occasionally omitted] Šo-and-so's

P. J. F. GANTILLON. the several exhibitions, which were seen by Sir croc.”,

Cheltenham. Walter Scott at the British Museum in 1832 ('Woodstock '). One of these, a composition in MUSIC AT NORWICH (8th S. iii. 69). - See verse, is printed as appendix i. of the Abbotsford Annual Register,' vol. xliv. p. 456. edition,

A. L. HUMPHREYS. The 'Authentic Memoirs of Joseph Collins of 187, Piccadilly, W. Oxford,' taken from a MS. forming the subject of an article in the British Magazine for 1747, and a


ZINES (76b S. iv. 5, 110; v. 476 ; vi. 93, 214 ; xii. The 'Relation'in Plot's 'Oxfordshire,' from con- 75 ; goh $. i. 116). —"The Martlet. Edited by temporary authority, ch. viii. $$ 38–45.

Q.SS. and T.BB. S. Peter's College, Westminster.” This narrative in Plot is a counterpart of "The No. 1. March 1, 1893, price 3d., 8vo., six leaves. Just Devil of Woodstock : or a True Narrative of, Queen's Scholars ; T.BB., Town Boys. the Several Apparitions,'&c., by Thomas Widdowes, Strictly speaking, I believe, only Q.SS. belong Minister of Woodstock, 1749 (but printed in St. Peter's College. The Marllet takes its name Decemb. 1660," Wood).

from the charge on the school coat of arms, adopted A letter written by John Lydell, M.A., to Mr. from that of Edward the Confessor. W.'C. B. Aubrey, in Aubrey's Miscellanies,' s..., p. 82.


“BURN THE BELLOWS" (8th S. ii. 527; iii. 77,

173).—Whatever may be the origin of “Sing I do not know where the genuine 'History of Old Rose and burn the bellows,” there can be no the Good Devil of Woodstock," &c., is to be found, doubt as to its wide-spread usage as a kind of but a very full account of the strange doings at the interjectional saying, à propos of nothing, but King's House, Woodstock, to which Joe Collins 80 expressive of pleasurable excitement. Here in the largely contributed, appears in the third volume of West it is one of our commonest expressions of 'A Collection of Curious Articles from the Gentle jollity, or devil-may-care hilarity. It is so given man's Magazine,' under the title of a 'Remarkable as a sample of our cumbrous interjections in 'W. Anecdote from Plot's History of Oxfordshire.' The Som. Grammar,' p. 95 (E.D.S., 1877). The note article is dated October, 1769, and occupies four in Ingoldsby Legends' quoted by A. T. M. is in pages.


the Second Series, p. 255, ed. 1852, ' Legend of Dover.'


Wellington, Somerset. HOLDERS (8th S. iii. 149).—“ Coliar-holders" were tenants who held lands at certain small rents,

STRACHEY FAMILY (8th S. ii. 508 ; iii. 14, 134). and were bound to turn over and put in the lord's -This may be brought closer home, though ingrass, and had an allowance of a halfpenny for volving a question of date, in the production of every fork and rake, and, finding themselves, were Twelfth Night? The Honourable Honora Denny, to cock it into grass cocks, ready for the copy- a lady of high descent and great heiress, was holders.

married in 1606 to James Hay, Master of the Woodich-silver-holders" ranked as freeholders Wardrobe; this gentleman became Earl of Carlisle, of a manor by performing suit of court, but the and the point is that English dene means valley, exact service is not mentioned. See, also, Green's and so, equating strach with strath, Strachey is

Antiquities of Framlingham and Saxsted in Suf- Denny. Twelfth Night' was acted 1601-2, folk,' 8vo. 1834.

C. GOLDING. perhaps earlier, but not known in print till it Colchester.

appeared in the folio of 1623 ; still it shows traces


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