to pull through all its difficulties. He the experience of the subsequent years would allow him (Mr. P.) to say that, to enable them to decide how the in. in the observations he made to them, stitution would work, and he must say he limited himself to the advantages that the result had been fully equal held out by the Manchester College to his anticipation of disappointment. to divinity students. They must allow Notwithstanding his anticipations, the him (Mr. P.), on the other side of the moment he found himself in a minority, question, to address them on behalf of he thought it was his duty (and with the laity. He must say that he was his sense of duty his feelings of affection strongly persuaded that the institution conspired) to do what he could to make had failed in one of its contemplated the institution as available and valuable objects, viz., the education of laymen as he could in the prescribed locality, and divinity students together. Having From that time to this, he had done been called upon for a number of years what he could to promote the welfare to quit the path of merely private life of the College. Now he thought the and take a share in the great assembly time had come when a change ought of the nation, there was nothing he felt to be made. He was ready to face all to be a greater drawback upon his use- the difficulties of the question. He fulness and a greater drawback upon his knew there were others who felt as he comfort and happiness, than the want did. He could not, therefore, agree to of association in public life with men the report. They had heard that the with whom he had associated in early course of the divinity students was to life. (Mr. Philips proceeded to speak be enlarged from five to six years. He of the advantage and pleasure it afforded felt satisfied that their excellent friends to the men who took part in the pro- had duly weighed the importance of ceedings of Parliament and the higher that point. To their decision in that courts of law, to act with those with matter he bowed with perfect cordiality. whom they had in youth, at Cambridge But he thought he saw in the fact of and Oxford, studied and formed friendly the necessary extension of the course, intimacies.) He did say from his own an additional argument for the removal experience that it was essential for of the institution from Manchester. He every man, in these stirring times, to saw no other way of giving expression receive as good an education as any to the opinions he held, than by doing public institution can afford him, and what, under similar circumstances, was, that there he should be enabled to he believed, usual in public meetingsassociate with those young men with what he knew was the practice in Parwhom he entertained common feelings. liament, viz., moving an amendment He rose for the purpose of expressing to the effect that such words as recomhis dissent from the arguments brought mend the maintenance of the College forward by the Committee. Enter at Manchester be expunged from the taining the convictions he did, he could report just read. not accede to the acceptance of that JOHN TAYLOR, Esq., seconded the report. While he was grateful to those amendment. who made it for their

services--while T. E. LEE, Esq., was of opinion that he was glad to listen to the sentiments the institution would be more useful which they had put forth in a manner in London; but he could not think, 50 straightforward and manly, he had without special notice, the meeting was no alternative, with his opinions on the competent to entertain a motion for subject discussed in the report, than removal. There was, too, a doubt to objeet to its acceptance by the Trus- whether the funds were transferable to tees. To not one member of the Com- another vicinity. If it were certain mittee had he the slightest feeling of that the funds could be removed, he captious objection. In former years should be prepared to move that the he had acted with them in an harmo- institution should go to London. nious and amicable spirit. The ques- Rev. F. BAKER said the address was tion of the present locality of the Col. at present the opinion, strongly exlege had been decided by a very small pressed, of the Committee. If adopted, majority. The question raised by that it would become the expression of the discussion had been floating in their meeting. He welcomed the opportunity minds since 1839. The accident of the of discussing the question, and hoped majority of two decided the removal of the Trustees would by their vote settle the College from York to Manchester. the merits of the case.

bith on They were as nearly as possible equally JAMES Heywoon, Esq., M.P., said :) matched nine years ago. They had had that with respect to the point now


raised, as to the right to transfer the seemed to him to be reduced to a sort funds from Manchester, there was a of a shadow of a College. Mr. Kentish passage in the Memoir of his ancestor, had spoken of University Hall being Dr. Percival, which threw some light "ideal ;" he (Mr. H.) thought Manon the subject. It appeared from the chester College would soon become a passage (which Mr. H. read) that so mere idea. firmly was Dr. Percival convinced, in Rev. JOHN KENRICK rose, not for the 1802, of the failure of the College in purpose of entering into the general Manchester, that he was of opinion question, but to ask Mr. Heywood, as that it ought to be removed to Glas- one of the Trustees of the Owens instigow. If this was the opinion of the tution, a question. Did not the will powers of the Trustees held by the of Mr. Owens direct the Trustees to Chairman of the Committee in 1802, he establish a College in Manchester in should imagine they might now

remove which every branch of University inthe institution where they saw fit. But struction should be taught? if there were any legal difficulties, he Mr. HEYWOOD said it would be either thought they might be obviated by a a mere juvenile school, or that it would short Act of Parliament. With regard be chiefly connected with the Pineto the Owens institution, he wished street Medical School. to state that the Trustees did not wish Mr. KENRICK repeated his question. to begin their operations until the pub- Mr. HEYWOOD admitted that, accordlic of Manchester could raise a suitable ing to the wording of the will, the building for the College. They must pupils were to be instructed in the wait for better times. A delay of seve- knowledge taught in an University, ral years will intervene. When esta- but there was a limitation of age. The blished, he imagined it would prove a pupils were not to be younger than 14. juvenile school, except so far as it served They usually left school and went into the purposes in general instruction of warehouses at 16, so that the pupils the Medical School of Manchester. The would be mere boys. Owens Trustees, he knew, wished their Mr. KENRICK said the minimum age College to be in the neighbourhood of was 14, but there was no restriction on the Infirmary. Supposing the Trustees their continuing at the College after 16. of Manchester New College were, there- A very long discussion ensued. The fore, to wait five or six years, their speakers for the amendment were RiCollege would then have to be moved, chard Martineau, Esq., Rev. G. Armas the distance between the Infirmary strong, Rev. Charles Wicksteed, John and Grosvenor Square would be incon- Potter, Esq.; and for the original moveniently great. He thought it an im- tion, Rev. E. Kell, Robert Scott, Esq., portant consideration that in London J. A. Turner, Esq., and Rev. R. B. the students would have better and Aspland. We regret that our exhaustmore genteel society than they could ed limits prevent our doing more this possibly have in the Owens institution, month than giving an outline of the The demands of the Unitarian laity, remarks of from their education and position in Rev. C. WICKSTEED, who said there was society, were higher than other Dis- one disadvantage in the present mode senters, and he thought they would of taking the discussion: it mixed up men who were afterwards to be their whether the report of the Committee ministers should chiefly associate with should be adopted without alteration, those who were preparing themselves whether the College should be removed for Apothecaries Hall. He had voted at all,- and thirdly (if removed), whein 1839 for the removal to Manchester, ther it should be connected with the expecting that the laymen would have proposed University Hall. He did not resorted

to the College in greater num. see, however, how this inconvenience bers. Wherever the laymen attend, could be avoided. They had a report there, he thought, the divinity students before them which strongly advocated ought to be. He regretted that the the continuance of the College at ManCommittee had thought fit to express chester. Now this was the very subtheir opinions so strongly: He wished ject on which they were met to delithe passages in which the subject of berate, and on which there was, and it the continuance of the College at Man- was known there would be, a great chester was discussed, to be left outdifference of opinion; and yet the and should therefore vote for the amend- meeting was called upon to adopt that ment. The institution at Manchester report. He and the friends who thought with him were thus stopped in limine; the important matter which was then they could not possibly vote for the to be laid before them; and notwithreport unaltered, without nullifying standing that the Committee had distheir contemplated subsequent proceed claimed the power of considering the ings; for the report in fact prejudged removal, they had exercised in the the question, and the meeting was report before them very strongly the asked to sanction its judgment. Mr. power of condemning the removal. He Philips, therefore, had no alternative had not himself taken any active part but to press the amendment; and in promoting the movement in London though inconvenient in some respects, in its earlier form; and he had not one practical advantage would result. done so on these grounds-he had felt The division would shew, without a delicacy in the matter from so many pledging the meeting to any distinct of his nearest and most valued friends course, for which they were not pre- being directly or indirectly connected pared, how far the Trustees present with the Manchester College ; and he thought a removal generally desirable felt, in the second place, a disinclinaor the contrary. Those, therefore, who tion to foster any movement which had made up their minds that no change might be in rivalry or in prejudice of was desirable, would vote for the adop- the older institution, and split the body tion of the report unaltered ; those who into two schools or parties. But when thought a removal would be advanta- he found that the movement in London geous, could not adopt a report which had taken a determined and most imcondemned it as injurious, and must portant stand, he became anxious, for vote for the amendment. He (Mr.W.) the sake of the Manchester College should perhaps best explain his own itself, and for the cause of academical sentiments on the general subject by education among the Nonconformists, troubling the meeting with a short that the older institution should act in piece of autobiography. Eight years unison with their friends in London, ago, when this question was first agi, especially as he believed it must come tated, he had attended the meeting to that in the end. He did not wish then held, with convictions decidedly to wait till all was settled on the favourable to a removal to London. constitution and arrangements of Uni. From those convictions he had not versity Hall, and then effect an alliance. swerved one hour from that time to the He wanted the Manchester College to present. But the majority of Trustees have a fair and legitimate influence in was in favour of Manchester, and of these very questions, while unsettled. course it was only for him to bow to He did not desire to wait till arrangethat majority. He retained his opinion, ments were effected which might be however, unchanged; and when he objectionable, and which could not be found so important and influential a altered, and then for that College to be portion of friends of collegiate educa, obliged to submit to them, or pursue tion among Nonconformists disposed its own isolated course in the North. to make so generous a movement in It would not be to his taste to see the connection with London, he thought a Manchester College, a few years hence, re-consideration of the decision of eight offering itself as a candidate for lodgyears ago was demanded. It was not ings in the University Hall. He wished every day that they were called upon them to act now, when they could do to consider a disposition to devote ten so on equal terms. As to the general thousand pounds to the cause of free question of a removal to London, he academical education; and he must was persuaded that it had become not confess that he never was more aston- only desirable, but manifestly necessary, ished than when he found that the It was notorious that our laity would Committee of Manchester College had not send their sons to Manchester. refused, on the application of the Coun- Was it desirable to contemplate a percil of University Hall, either to consider, manent arrangement, by which our lay or to promote the consideration of the students were educated at one place, question the members of that Council and that a University and a Metropolis, has proposed to them, namely, whether and our divinity students educated at any union could be effected between another, and that in the provinces ? the movement in London and the pre- He confessed the results of such a sesent Manchester College. He under- paration seemed to him alarming. It stood, too, that the meeting of Com- would prevent that intercourse and that mittee at which this was decided, was friendship among the future ministers convened without any special notice of and the future supports of our congre


gations which had hitherto proved one sity College. Mr. Scott had alluded of the most valuable stays of our 80- to the extravagant expectations with cieties. He feared, too, that in the eyes which the Manchester New College of the world the ministers might, as had been opened eight years since ; men of education, take a lower stand- but he must remind him that those ing, however, unjustly, than those who expectations were entertained, not by had been brought up in a place of the supporters of the amendment on greater celebrity and greater supposed the present dccasion, but by the advoadvantages. He did not think it just cates of the continuance of the College to their young men, nor just to their at Manchester: it was those who wished learned men and professors, to keep the College to go to Manchester, not them aloof from the places of largest those who wished it to go to London, resort, of largest intercourse and com- who were deceived. He did not, either, petition, and of most extended influ- agree with Mr. Scott's fears about young ence and honour to which their prin- Unitarians losing their principles by ciples admitted them. Mr. Scott had mixing more freely with those of a vaalsuded to the hundred years during riety of opinions at such a place as Uniwhich the Manchester College and its versity College: he thought, on the conpredecessors had existed; but he begged trary, that while we had something to to call his attention a little further back, get, we had something also to give, and and ask, in what circumstances did that by affording our students and our those Colleges originate? Where did professorial men a larger opportunity the Professors come from? Did they of influencing public opinion, we should not come from the Universities? And be spreading that leaven, both of thewould they not have gone back to the ology and of social economy, which Universities, if they could have had he hoped would eventually leaven the admittance without a violation of their lump. He must conclude with repeatprinciples ? Greatly as they were in- ing his own firm conviction that the tide debted to those learned men for hand. in our denomination was irreversibly set ing their gifts down to others, and in favour of larger association and comgreatly as they were indebted to the bined education. He might mention, learning and self-denial and brave re- as an instance of this, the spontaneous sistance to the world's temptations with feelings of his own congregation. They which their successors, down to those were not, indeed, among the largest of the present time, had devoted them- supporters of the College in reference selves to the task of securing an edu- to the more recent exertion; but they cated ministry to our churches, there had taken a steady interest in the Cold could be no doubt that those men lege, had maintained a regular and fair acquiesced in the existence of small subscription list, and had had their colacademies up and down the country as lections periodically, the first being in the bad necessity of bad times, and 1803, and the last in 1845. And he that they would, had they been living could not help a certain feeling of renow, have gladly rallied round such gret in saying, what, in fact, he had an institution as the London University been in a manner commissioned to say, College, and seen whether the liberal that that support, whatever it was, principle could not have rivalled, and would be withdrawn from Manchester

at length overthrown, the old exclu- and transferred, if required, to London. visive principle of Oxford and Cambridge. The previous Sunday they had met and

He, for his part, did not think that the subscribed for a congregational share in Nonconformists of this country had the projected University Hall; indiviacted generously towards the London duals also either had done, or contem. University College, in periling the plated doing, the same ; and this, he great experiment which it attempted, might certainly say, was the spontaby persevering in their separate Col- neous result of the progress of opinion ,

, any

urgent at York was willing to continue his part. He regarded it merely as one of valuable labours, there was a sufficient the many signs which would ere long

reason against an immediate change; burst upon the supporters of Manches1 but when that reason no longer existed, ter College, unless they consented to a

he thought that the question should change, that the general feeling of the have been decided in favour of aiding body was setting in a different direc- the great effort and the great principle tion, and that there was a growing

embodied in the foundation of Univer- disposition to cultivate as large and friendly an association with various to the Chairman for his impartial conreligious communions in all matters, duct in the chair, and the meeting broke whether of educational or social inte- up, having been engaged in the discusrest, as principle would allow, or their sion about six hours. Four of the own convictions justify,


at Jiu Trustees did not vote, and three (beVdSoon after six o'clock a division was lieved to be favourable to the original called for, when there appeared-for motion) were compelled to leave before the amendment, 31; against it, 30: but the division came on, an objection being taken to the vote of. Although the great division of senone gentleman who had voted in the ma- timent amongst the friends of the Coljority, on the ground that, having with. lege is to be regretted, there is ground drawn his subscription, he was no longer for satisfaction and hope in the ima Trustee, the Chairman was called partial character of the Committee apupon to decide the question by his pointed; and it may be expected that casting vote. He voted for the amend- the issue of their inquiries will be a ment. The original motion was not mass of facts, on which the Trustees put.

may rest with confidence as the basis Mr. M. Philips then rose to movea re- of their future decision as to the locality solution to the effect that it was expedi- and discipline of the ent to remove Manchester New College

о тойланд d Le of to London.-An objection was taken to the motion on two grounds : first, that

Industrial Schools, Bury, Lancashire. it could not take precedence of Mr.

The extreme dearth of employment James Heywood's motion, of which for factory, operatives during the past notice had been given to all the Trus- winter, led, in the beginning of Notees; and secondly, that it could notvember last, to the establishing of a be entertained without proper notice school for the instruction of young febeing given to all the Trustees.-Mr. males in plain needlework and the Heywood expressed his willingness to cutting out and making of clothing. give way to Mr. Philips.


By the kindness of Mr. W. R. Greg, a 30 Rev. JOHN KENRICK said that the large room in his mill at Freetown was a motion could not be thus withdrawn, opened for the purpose. A number of

without the consent of the meeting. ladies undertook to superintend the 329 Mr. Heywood then proposed his mo. management of the school by turns.

tion_“That a Committee be appointed About 30 young persons were admitted to consider the plan of University Hall, the first day. The number soon inLondon, with reference to the interests creased, and the average attendance at of Manchester New College,” - and present is from 60 to 70 each day. named a Committee of twelve persons, Several of the scholars were quite un. of whom nine were subscribers to Uni. able to sew when they entered the versity Hall. The other three declin. school; they have since made their ing to serve, some alterations in the own dresses. A paid teacher was enconstitution of the Committee were gaged to be in constant attendance, proposed, but they did not appear to be and to give instructions in cutting out satisfactory.-Rev. J.J. TAYLeR urged and the general work. In a short time on the Trustees the importance of form- it was found advisable to classify the ing a perfectly fair and equal Com. scholars and appoint a monitor to each mittee, and explained the important class, who also received a small weekly questions which such a Committee payment. These were the only exwould have to examine. Ultimately, penses of instruction. The materials the following gentlemen were appoint- of work were purchased from a fund ed a Committee, with instructions to raised by voluntary subscription among inquire not only into the plans of Uni- the friends of the school, and the cloth"versity Hall, but also into those of Uni- ing, when made up, was distributed by versity College and Owens College, and the Committee to the scholars free of to report to a future meeting of the charge. In this way a great variety Trustees :

of dresses, pinafores, stockings, pettim. Rev. CHARLES WICKSTEED, coats, &c. &c., have found their way bu ROBERT WORTHINGTON, Esq.

into houses where fresh purchases of 110 Rev. FRANKLIN BAKER,

clothes, however necessary, were out of Rev. R. BROOK ASPLAND, Full - S. D. DARBISHIRE, Esq.

the question, in the inability there ex

isted to obtain a sufficiency of food. in J. A. TURNER, Esq.

14. In the beginning of this year, a simiThe thanks of the meeting were voted lar school was opened on a smaller VOL. IV.


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