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American people see that. Well, I hope they do.

Q. Well, you speak with two voices here, though. Cheney (Secretary of Defense) talks about it being dangerous and fallacious to play ball with the Soviets, and you are saying we want to see us succeed. You know, there is a dichotomy there.

The President. We speak with one voice. Cheney's voice is loud and clear. And he's saying, Don't do something dumb. Don't make the mistake of unilaterally disarming-knocking out significant strategic modernization programs at the very minute that the Soviet Union is going forward on the modernization front. And that's good advice for the President of the United States, and believe me, it is needed and good advice for the Congress of the United States.

So I take that into consideration. And we're trying to have a strong defense program that is prudent and realistic and not based on some euphoric hope that there are no differences between these countries.

But back to the question. When you have a civil climate you can discuss things much more easily with the Soviets today. Chemical Weapons

Q. Mr. President, are you willing to do away with chemical weapons if the Soviet Union goes along with that, just like they proposed yesterday, even as you negotiate an international treaty?

The President. No, absolutely not.
Q. Why do we need

The President. I said what we're willing to do. We need a certain sense of deterrence, and we need to have some leverage to get a lot of other proliferating countries to do what I think the world cries out forenter into an agreement to ban them all. It was like the argument on the INF. Do you remember a few years ago—on INF weapons? People were saying, Don't deploy, that will disrupt all negotiations. We went forward, we deployed, and then we got an agreement to eliminate them all. It's the same theory involved there.

Q. But, surely, there are other weapons that would act as a deterrent other than chemical weapons to those countries.

The President. Well, let's sell that idea to these other countries, and I think you're onto something. But I'm not going to do

something unilaterally on that; I've already said what we're going to do. And we're prepared to sit down and talk to the Soviets about it. But I think in the final analysis that-we're pretty close to agreement on the principles that I enunciated the other day. And the fact that they come back, I view that as very positive. I don't view that as one-upmanship of some sort in arms control. I think it's a very positive manifestation of what I'm talking about, about a more civil climate here. Capital Gains

Q. Mr. President, on the capital gains, if I could return for a minute, you've repeatedly cited John Kennedy's support for a cut in the capital gains tax. But another thing that he wanted to do was to close the loophole which allowed gains at death to go untaxed. Do you feel that as this has come up as an issue that it's fair to have that continue?

The President. I haven't even thought about that, I'll be honest with you.

Q. It would raise $5 billion a year.

The President. I hadn't thought about it. And we're talking here about not dismantling tax reform or going into an opening of every tax provision. Maybe my sense of history isn't as acute as it should be, but I just don't remember that as far as the Kennedy program. I'm not questioning it, I just don't know.

There are a lot of other revenue-raisers people will be proposing. But I think we've got an overall tax reform plan. There are some exceptions that I've proposed, and I would leave that one to the Congress right now. But I'd have to look very carefully before I could say I could support it. Drug Summit

Q. The meeting with President Barco (Colombia) tomorrow, sir. Are you going to be sending a drug summit?

The President. Oh, I don't know-Brent (Brent Scowcroft, Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs)—whether we've—where is the General-or, Bob (Robert Gates, Assistant to the President and Deputy for National Security Affairs) whether we've talked about at this meeting setting a drug summit. I've already talked to Barco about a high-level drug meeting with the Presidents of various countries.

But whether we'll set it tomorrow there, I Q. But you have increased security, and just_I have not discussed it with him per- your children now all have it when they sonally. And I've had talked to him yester- had declined it. day, or talked to him the day before. But The President. Yes. Varying degrees. And I'll be very interested in his view on it and I don't discuss it because I think one of the how that could affect—the timing of which, contradictions in an open society is, I can how that could help on this fight.

understand everybody's interest in knowing Q. Do you have a view of when and every detail, but I can also understand the where it should be, and which countries it security system's desire that every detail should include, sir?

not be known. I think security is better in The President. No, we don't. And again, that way. But that, Helen (Helen Thomas, I'm anxious to get his views. I expect the United Press International]—to the degree subject will come up because we've given, security has been stepped up in accordance I believe we've given support to it. I know I with the law and the Bush kids, it is not feel that it would be a constructive thing. because of a specific, hard piece of intelliBut we're a little-we haven't really set the gence, hard threat. And I'm confident of exact timing of it.

that. My problem is, would I tell you if I I'll tell you, in Costa Rica I will be meet- weren't? But I am confident of that. And ing with many of the leaders from South I'm confident that I gave you the right America and the Caribbean. And I think answer because I think I would have known that might be a time when we could get a that. lot of other views as to timing, who should Q. You may be the last to know. I'm teasattend, and—but it's not set.

ing. Threats Against the President and His

The President. Well, no. But I can see Family

why somebody would want toQ. Mr. President, there's a report in

Q. Save you from fears. Newsday today that the drug lords are

The President. Well, but we have a close threatening to kidnap one of your children

family and people are—they don't like it if they're not granted amnesty

when families get-you know, have some The President. If what?

threat. But it's not-I want to just assure Q. If they're not granted amnesty, if the

people that there isn't-we are not living drug lords aren't granted amnesty. Earlier,

under that kind of a threat. you said—when this question arose, you said

Thank you all. Any more questions on you didn't have any information on that

education? (Laughter] The President. Yes. I hadn't.

The Chicago Cubs Q. Do you have any information about what Newsday says is this threat?

Q. What about the Cubs, Mr. President? The President. I do not. And I have a

The Chicago Cubs? feeling that that matter is of enough inter

The President. Oh, the Cubs? est to me that it would have been brought

Q. Yes. Is it their turn? to my attention. And I don't mean to be

The President. It's fantastic. The debate complacent, but I have confidence in our

over lights at Wrigley Field have given way intelligence community. I have confidence

to euphoria over winning. That's my comin the international cooperation on intelli

ment. You heard it right here in the Oval gence; sometimes I wish it were more. And

Office first. I have confidence in the Secret Service and Q. So you think the lights did it? their ability to do their job. So I don't live The President. What I'm trying to do is in fear of anything like this, but, Terry, I've figure out how to get to a game. Either not heard that, and I feel confident I would American League or National League playhave if there had been some-what I would off or a World Series game. call "hard intelligence." I can't do my job if Q. Are you committed to going to at least I get deterred by rumors or–I think I'd one, Mr. President? know that if there was something seri- The President. Not committed, but trying

hard to figure it out.


Q. You have to take (former Reagan Press could pose to individual liberty and the free Secretary] Jim Brady with you.

exercise of religious beliefs. The President. Oh, to go see

a Cubs

Before the Constitution was drafted, the game.

State of Virginia provided, in a statute Q. Who is going to win that American drafted by Thomas Jefferson, “that all men League East race?

shall be free to profess, and by argument to The President. Well, I've given up on the

maintain their opinion in matters of reliRangers. (Laughter]

gion, and that the same shall in no wise

diminish, enlarge or affect their civil capacNote: The President spoke at 10:35 a.m. in

ities." Jefferson considered his authorship of the Oval Office at the White House.

this statute so important that he chose to have it noted in his epitaph.

Throughout the history of the United States, the free exercise of religion has con

tributed not only to the welfare of individProclamation 6029—Religious Freedom ual believers but also to the strength of our Week, 1989

Nation. The American people's faith in September 27, 1989

God-unencumbered by legal restrictions

and untainted by government interferBy the President of the United States

ence—has been a powerful force for mainof America

taining high standards of morality and jusA Proclamation

tice in our society. Because bigotry and in

difference pose an ever-present danger to Our Nation's commitment to the princi- religious liberty everywhere, toleration ple of religious liberty has not only been must be for us not just a matter of legal enshrined in law but also faithfully upheld decree binding the government, but a by generations of Americans. The first men matter of moral conviction enjoining each and women to settle in America came to of us to respect the rights and beliefs of this country in search of the opportunity to others. worship God freely. Since then, this country Tragically, in many nations especially has been a haven for millions of people those that suffer under the dark shadow of seeking refuge from religious persecution. totalitarian rule—the rights of believers are Indeed, in our pluralistic society, where the systematically denied. And in too many adherents of different religions must live countries around the world, animosities and together along with others who profess no hatreds often lead to civil unrest or vioreligion at all, toleration has been a practi- lence. Thus, we Americans should be thankcal necessity as well as a moral imperative. ful for the religious freedom we so enjoy This week, we acknowledge the importance and also remain fully committed to defendof religious freedom and tolerance to each ing this fundamental human right any time, American and to our entire Nation.

any place, it is threatened or denied. The most celebrated guarantee of reli- Nearly 200 years ago, in his now famous gious liberty in U.S. law is contained in the reply to the Hebrew Congregation of NewFirst Amendment to the Constitution, port, President Washington declared that which states that “Congress shall make no the Government of the United States “gives law respecting an establishment of religion, to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." assistance.” This week, let us rededicate Yet even before the First Amendment was ourselves—as individuals and as a Nationwritten, the Constitution provided that “no to that noble vision. religious Test shall ever be required as a In recognition of the importance of reliQualification to any Office or public Trust gious freedom and the spirit of tolerance, under the United States.” The leaders who the Congress, by Senate Joint Resolution shaped our system of government were 146, has designated the week beginning men of great faith and foresight-and they September 24, 1989, as “Religious Freedom recognized the various dangers government Week.”


Now, Therefore, I, George Bush, Presi- Nomination of E. Donald Elliott To Be dent of the United States of America, do an Assistant Administrator of the hereby proclaim the week beginning Sep- Environmental Protection Agency tember 24, 1989, as Religious Freedom September 27, 1989 Week. I call upon the people of the United States to observe this week with appropri- The President today announced his intenate ceremonies and activities, and I urge tion to nominate E. Donald Elliott to be an them to reaffirm their devotion to the prin- Assistant Administrator of the Environmenciples of religious freedom.

tal Protection Agency (General Counsel).

He would succeed Lawrence J. Jensen. In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand this twenty-seventh day of Sep- Since 1984 Mr. Elliott has served as a tember, in the year of our Lord nineteen professor of law at Yale Law School in New hundred and eighty-nine, and of the Inde- Haven, CT. Prior to this, he was an associpendence of the United States of America ate professor at Yale Law School, 1981the two hundred and fourteenth.

1984. Mr. Elliott also served as a visiting professor of law at Georgetown University,

1986-1987. George Bush

Mr. Elliott graduated from Yale College

(B.A., 1970) and Yale Law School (J.D., [Filed with the Office of the Federal Regis- 1974). He was born April 4, 1948, in Chicater, 10:47 a.m., September 28, 1989)

go, IL. He is married, has two children, and currently resides in New Haven, CT.

Nomination of Bruce L. Gardner To Be an Assistant Secretary of Agriculture September 27, 1989

Nomination of Barbara E. Bryant To Be

Director of the Bureau of the Census The President today announced his inten- September 27, 1989 tion to nominate Bruce L. Gardner to be an Assistant Secretary of Agriculture (Econom- The President today announced his intenics). He would succeed Ewen Wilson.

tion to nominate Barbara Everitt Bryant to

be Director of the Census at the DepartSince 1981 Dr. Gardner has served as a

ment of Commerce. She would succeed professor in the department of agriculture John G. Keane. and resource economics at the University of Maryland. Prior to this, he was a visiting Since 1977 Dr. Bryant has served as fellow at the Center for the Study of the senior vice president of Market Opinion ReEconomy and the State at the University of search in Detroit, MI. Prior to this, she Chicago, 1980–1981, and a professor of agri- served at Market Opinion Research as vice cultural economics at Texas A&M Universi- president for social research, 1971-1977, ty, 1977-1980.

and as a senior analyst, 1970. Dr. Gardner graduated from the Univer- Dr. Bryant graduated from Cornell Unisity of Illinois (B.S., 1964) and the Universi- versity (A.B., 1947) and Michigan State Unity of Chicago (Ph.D., 1968). He was born versity (M.A., 1967; Ph.D., 1970). She was August 31, 1942, in Woodstock, IL. Dr. born January 5, 1926, in Ann Arbor, MI. Dr. Gardner is married, has two children, and Bryant is married, has three children, and currently resides in Bethesda, MD.

currently resides in Ann Arbor, MI.

Continuation of James B. Thomas, Jr.,
as Inspector General at the
Department of Education
September 27, 1989

1956-1963. Mr. DeLury was born on April 1, 1938, in Brooklyn, NY. He is married, has five children, and currently resides in Colts Neck, NJ.

The President today announced that James Bert Thomas, Jr., will continue to serve as Inspector General for the Department of Education.

Statement by Press Secretary Fitzwater Since 1980 Mr. Thomas has served as the

on the Meeting With President Carlos

Saul Menem of Argentina
Inspector General for the Department of
Education. Prior to this, he served as the September 27, 1989
Director of the Bureau of Accounts at the

The President
Interstate Commerce Commission, 1977–

met with President 1980; Inspector General at the United

Menem of Argentina in the Oval Office for States Department of Housing and Urban approximately 45 minutes. The President Development, 1975–1977; and as the Assist

noted President Menem's determination in ant Director of the Bureau of Accounts at dealing with Argentina's economic crisis the Interstate Commerce Commission,

and stated U.S. support for his program. 1972-1975.

They discussed the Government of ArgentiMr. Thomas graduated from Florida State

na's overtures to normalize relations with University (B.S., 1957). He was born March

the United Kingdom. The President stated 16, 1935, in Tallahassee, FL. He is married,

that the U.S. is pleased that two of our has three children, and currently resides in

friends are engaged in a direct dialog and McLean, VA.

expressed the hope that this process will lead to full normalization of relations in the near future.

The two Presidents discussed the drug

problem and underscored a mutual desire Nomination of Bernard E. DeLury To in combating the drug scourge. They also Be Director of the Federal Mediation

discussed the situation in Panama and the and Conciliation Service

urgent need for a return to full democracy. September 27, 1989

The President noted that the U.S. shares

with the people of Argentina a strong The President today announced his inten- desire for freedom and democracy and extion to nominate Bernard E. DeLury to be pressed the hope that this visit will Federal Mediation and Conciliation Direc

strengthen even further the close bond betor. He would succeed Kay McMurray. tween our two countries.

Since 1985 Mr. DeLury has served as the staff vice president for labor relations at the Sea-Land Corp. in Iselin, NJ. Prior to this, he served with the Sea-Land Corp. as the corporate vice president of personnel,

Remarks at the Education Summit 1982-1985, and as the director of labor rela- Welcoming Ceremony in tions, 1977–1982. Mr. DeLury served at the

Charlottesville, Virginia Department of Labor in Washington, DC as September 27, 1989 an Assistant Secretary of Labor at the Labor-Management Relations Administra- Thank you all for that warm welcome. tion, 1976–1977, and as the Assistant Secre- Secretary Cavazos, thank you, sir, and to tary of Labor at the Employment Standards the other members of the Cabinet. And Administration, 1973-1976.

Governor Branstad, and Governors Clinton Mr. DeLury graduated from St. John's and Campbell, all the Governors. (UniversiUniversity (B.A., 1960) and C.W. Post Col- ty of Virginia] President O'Neil especially, lege (M.A., 1974). He served in the New who is moving out of his house so Barbara York State National Guard Army Reserve, and I can stay there-beyond the call of

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