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the above, seventy-nine preliminary volumes of it in that sense led to the later use of the were printed before August, 1880, the matter phrase with hunt, chase, drag, harry, run, &c. being arranged in chronological order; but I suppose it was its occurrence with these these were only used as printer's copy. verbs that led Dr. Brewer aptly to hazard Altogether the compilation cost the U.š. the guess (unfortunately repeated in some Government 570,0001. to produce.

quarters as an “etymology") that the pbrase The work is of such great importance that belonged to the driving of a horse in the a brief summary of its contents in the words manege ground. The constant early use of of Major Ward is appended :

toss, and in later times of bandy, bounce, and "The 1st Series-111 books and an atlas-en-bung, suggests that the expression referred braces the official reports of all military operations. to some game of ball in which posts and These reports are arranged according to campaigns pillars were used, or came in the way. I see and theatres of operations. Union reports are in the description of the tennis court ip printed first and are followed by Confederate Julian Marshall's Annals of Tennis' mach Reports. The 2nd Series - 8 books-relates to prisoners of mention of “posts,” each with its distinctive

name, and of galleries or openings “between "The 3rd Series—5 books-contains miscellaneous the posts," also light rods of wrought iron, correspondence and reports. such as the annual which sometimes take the place of posts. reports of the Secretary of War, of the General in Much is said also of the danger of a ball Chief, and of the heads of the various corps and departments; also correspondence between National striking a post and rebounding. May I and State authorities.”

throw out the conjecture, then, that the "The 4th Series—3 books—is similar to the 3rd game in which there was a chance of someSeries, but refers exclusively to the Confederate thing being tossed from post to pillar was side.

tennis ? Unfortunately, Julian Marshall is The last volume, No. 130-contains a preface no longer with us, to tell us if the conjectura giving a history of the publication, five seems to him likely; but perhaps some one pages of explanations as to abbreviations, else, who has played tennis (real tennis, that plan of indexes, &c., a synopsis of the con- is, and not the modern lawn game, to which tents of each volume, a special index for the commercial enterprise has “

conveyed ” the principal armies, army corps, &c., a table name), will tell us what he thinks. showing volumes pertaining to contempo

J. A. H. MURRAY. raneous operations, a general index of

DESCENDANTS OF THE PLANTAGENETS. - I 1,087 pages ; and finally, 150 pages of additions and corrections. M. J. D. COCKLE.

am now preparing the volume of The Plantagenet Roll' dealing with the descendants of Anne, Duchess of Exeter, the sister of

Kings Edward IV. and Richard III., and I Queries,

subjoin a list of those persons and families We must request correspondents desiring in. concerning whom I am seeking information. formation on family matters of only private interest I should be extremely obliged for any inforto affix their names and addresses to their queries, mation as to whether they have issue survivin order that answers may be sent to them direct.

ing; and, if 30, where or from whom I could

obtain particulars. The figures in paren“FROM PILLAR TO POST.". The original theses indicate the sections, and are for my form of this expression was "from post to guidance alone. pillar." Of twenty-two quotations between Hunloke (3).-Thomas Windsor, Robert, 1420 (Lydgate) and 1700 pow before me, James, Catherine, Charlotte, Anne, Mary, seventeen have the original and five thé Mariana, Barbara, and Henrietta, brothers later form, three of the latter being in verse, and sisters of Sir Henry, 4th Bart., who d. and having post riming with tost, tossed, 1804. which was apparently the fons et origo of the Heneage of Hainton (5).—Thomas, Elizatransposition. The earliest of these is from beth Maria, and Katherine, brother and Skelton, a century later than Lydgate. In sisters of George Fieschi H. of H. who d. those times, and much later, the phrase 1782. nearly always qualified toss, there being in Heneage of Hainton (6). — The four younger our instances one solitary exception before sons and two daughters of George H. of H., 1600. In the seventeenth and eighteenth who d. 1731. centuries toss began to be replaced by bang, Gallini=Bertie (10/11).-Sir John G., who bounce, bandy, and drive. But drive is a d. 1805 ; m. Lady Elizabeth Bertie, and had word of many meanings; one may drive a man o beast as well as a ball, and the taking

a son and two daughters.

Bertie (15).- Edward B., d. 21 Sept., 1733;

Rev. William B. of Albury, D.D.; Henry B.; m. first, 1735, John Langston of Park, and Rev. John B., Preb. of Exeter, 'd. i Feb., secondly John Davie of Orleigh 1774; and Bridget, wife of Robert Coytmor Please reply direct. or Coctmor of co. Carnarvon, brothers and

(Marquis de) RUVIGNY, sisters to the 3rd Earl of Abingdon.-The Galway Cottage, Chertsey. Rev. William had issue James, Richard, Frances, Sophia, and Anne.-The Rev. John

AUTHORS OF QUOTATIONS WANTED :had an only surviving son Willoughby and

Still like the hindmost chariot wheel is cursed, nine daughters, viz.: Anne, Mary, Bridget,

Ever to be near, but never to be first. Elizabeth, Frances Mary, Eleanora, Isabella,

A. B. B.-J. Mary, and Sophia Eustacia, one of whom m.

Temple. Samuel Ryder Weston, D.D., Canon Resi- Whose part in all the pomp that fills dentiary of St. Paul's.

Tho circuit of the summer hills Harpur (17).-Charles H., Major 38th Regt.,

Is that their grave is green.

J. B. D. d. 9 July, 1770; and Caroline, wife first of Adam Hay, and secondly of Major Archibald Fair Eve knelt close to the guarded gate Stewart, brother and sister of Sir Henry, 6th

In the flush of an Eastern Spring. Bart.-The latter had at least one daughter,

J. A. B. Caroline Stewart, wife of William Jenny Who wrote the verses, the drift of which is (Glover's Derby,'ii. 217).

as follows (exact wording forgotten)?Parkyng Territt (23). — Anne (dau. of An original something, fair maid, Capt. Augustus P.), m. c. 1800 Samuel Territt, You would ask me to write...... of Chilton Hall, Suffolk, LL.D.

But how shall I begin? Basil (25).- Frances, dau. and h. of William

For I fear I've nothing original in nie, Dowdeswell of Pull Court, co. Worcester, m.

Excepting original sin. c. 1736 William Basil of Wilton Park, Bucks, Could the quotation be given correctly? and had ten children;

RETREAT. b. 1737 ; b. 1742, William, b. 1743 ; Gilbert, b. 1745 ; “HUMANITAS.”—Could any reader inform Edmund and Gabriel, twins, b. 1746; Thomas, me who used this nom de querre in The Press b. 1748 ; George, b. 1749; Frances, b. 1738; and other National journals in Dublin during and Amy, b. 1751.

the troublous times of '98 ? Whitelocke=Hamar (26) - Mary, dau. of

JOHN S. CRONE. Sir Wm. W. of Phyllis Court, Oxon, M.P., d.

ROLL OF CARLAVEROCK.-Where can I find 1717; m. Wm. Hamar of the Middle Temple. an English translation of the Roll of CarlaveWhitelocke Sherwood (26). - Hester, sister rock ?

SADI. of above, m. Edw. Sherwood of Henreth, Bucks.

MESSIAH=NAME OF THE LORD.-Can any Whitelocke=Wiseman (26).- Elizabeth (d. of your readers tell me whether it is true that 1735), sister of above, m. Wm. Wiseman of the ancient Jewish writers interpreted the Sparsholt Court, Berks (d. 1713), and had phrase "The Name of the Lord” as equivaissue Mary, dau. and h. (d. 1740), who m. lent to “The Messiah,"and give the authority? Edward Clarke and was mother of Wm.

Y. N. Wiseman, who m. twice, and had issue


Dorothy Maria, by, first wife, and William American lady writes :-
Nelson C. by second.
Whitelocke=Seawenand Hill (31). — Cecily, to Swedenborg that has puzzled me for some time:

"I wonder if you can throw light on a reference b: 1641, and Hester, b. 1642, sisters of the De Quincey in his Autobiography'

writes, in 1853: above-named Sir Wm. W., m. respectively *I presume the reader to be aware that Canıbridge

Seawen of Wales and Abraham Hill of bas, within the last few years, unsettled, and even Shilton, Devon.

revolutionized, our estimate of Swedenborg as a Courtenay=Locke (37). – Lady Matilda De Quincey's meaning, or put me on the track of

a clue to

philosopher.'...... If you can give me Jane C., 1778–1848, m. Lieut.-General John discovering it, I shall be very grateful.” Locke, d. 1837. Courtenay=Foy (38).- Lady Sophia C., b. May I transfer to your readers at large the

b 1780; m. 1804 Col. Nathaniel Foy, R.A., 1773: proposed task and the proffered reward?


169, Grove Lane, Camberwell, S. E. Courtenay Andrew, Langston and Davie (44/45). —Isabella, b. 1716, dau. of Sir Wm. C., SOUBISE, BLACK PAGE.-Can any one kindly 2nd Bart., m. 1744 John Andrew of Exeter, give a date for the death of Soubise, once M.D., d. 1772; and her sister Mary (1717-54), |å favourite black page of the Duchess of

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Queensberry, towards_the end of the Heralds' College marked K.I. Is this the eighteenth century? He was in Calcutta original, or only a transcript? when Memory Middleton was there, and was

BERNARD P. SCATTERGOOD. official horse-breaker to the Government, Moorside, Far Headingley, Leeds. and there he was killed, having been thrown by an Arab horse.

MRS. FITZHERBERT. What is the real Who was Memory Middleton ? and at what Christian name of this lady, now often styled time did he live in Calcutta | FITZ-ALLEN.

Maria ? In vol. i. of Burke's Commoners'

(1836) she is twice named as Mary Anne, THE COMPLETE DRILL SERJEANT.' – Will youngest daughter of Walter Smythe, Esq., any reader kindly tell me who was the author of Bambridge, Hants. See pedigrees of Fitzof this little book ! The title-page bears Herbert of Norbury and Swinnerton, p. 78, that it was "by a late Lieutenant in his and Weld of Lulworth, p. 197. Majesty's Marine Forces.". My copy is of

JOHN PICKFORD, M.A. the second edition, London, 1798. It is Newbourne Rectory, Woodbridge. “exemplified with prints," which are coloured. [The 'D.N.B.' gives her names as Maria Anne.]

W. S.

ENIGMA BY C. J. Fox.-In an old book of MACDONELL. - Major Macdonell, of Terndreich, who was executed at Carlisle in 1746 newspaper cuttings I find the following for his complicity in the

uprising in Scotland, enigma, which is ascribed to Charles James married as his second wife his cousin Mary

Can any reader of ‘N. & Qi' give the Macdonell, daughter of Macdonell, of Killi

answer chonate. Can any of your readers tell me

What though some boast through ages dark how the connexion existed, and whero the

Their pedigree from Noah's ark,

Painted on parchment nice;
Killichonate family worked into the main I'm older still, for I was there,
line ?
R. S. CLARKE (Major).

And before Adam did appear
Bishop's Hall, Taunton.

With Eve in paradise. THE GROATIE BUCKIE.-Can any one tell

For I was Adam, Adam I,

And I was Eve, and Eve was I, me, or refer me to any book where I can find In spite of wind and weather ; the myth in connexion with the Groatie Yet, mark me, Adam was not I, buckie? These buckies are found on the

Neither was Mrs. Adani I, Caithness coast, near John o' Groats, and

Unless we were together. also near Birsay, in Orkney.

Suppose, then, Eve and Adam talking,

With all my heart; but if they're walking, Stromness, Orkney.

There ends my simile;

For though I've tongue, and often talk, THE LINCOLN IMP.-A friend of mine

And though I've legs, yet when I walk informs me that, according to a ladies'

It puts an end to me. fashion-paper which she was reading not

Not such an end but that I've breath, long ago, a trinket in the form of “the Lin

Therefore to such a kind of death coln Imp” will prevent its wearer losing

I make but small objection ;

For soon I'm at my post anew, things.

And though oft Christian, yet 't is true I am anxious to know whether this super- I die by resurrection. stition has been made to order. It does not

E. S. seem probable that it is veritable folk-lore, DEATH - BIRDS IN SCOTLAND AND IRELAND. as no evidence is yet forthcoming that the -In England it is esteemed unlucky if a quaint figure in the Minster which is known bird enter a house, especially should it be a

the Imp was originally intended to robin or a pigeon, which are both deathrepresent the devil, or till recent days had boding in a high degree. Are there similar any connexion with the devil-legend of the superstitions in Scotland and Ireland? city or other traditionary beliefs. S. A. HERALDS' VISITATIONS, NORTHAMPTONSHIRE, pigeon superstition.]

[Reference is made, ante, pp. 465, 515, to the 1681. The original visitation of Northamptonshire in 1681 by St. George, Burghill, JOHN DYER, POET.-I should be glad to and King is said by Moule (Bibliotheca obtain the date of his birth (1700 ?), the name Heraldica ') to have been when he wrote (his of his mother, and the date of his marriage book was published in 1822) in the possession with " a Miss Ensor, said to be a descendant of the Earl of Egmont. Where is it now? of Shakspeare." See ‘D.N.B.,'xvi. 287. There is a copy of this visitation at the

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earlier volumes may be re-edited rather than Beplies.

reprinted some day.”

In 1903 a further volume, 1894-9, was issued CATALOGUES OF MSS.

at 21. 8s., or 6s. dearer than any of the (10th S. iv. 368, 415, 436.)

previous volumes ! MR. G. F. T. SHERWOOD. in bringing much more highly than, for instance, the

Why should these volumes be charged so forward this subject, says, “The catalogues various publications of the Public Record of MSS. in the British Museum......and other Office, the parliamentary publications, the big libraries fail in that they are practically Charity Commissioners' Reports, the Hisinaccessible because the price is too high."

torical MSS. Commission Reports, each To this point I will confine my reply. and all of which have excellent indices ? Three years ago, finding that I had to make

The published prices of these volumes are extensive use of the Additional and Egerton entirely prohibitory to nine-tenths of the MSS. at the British Museum, and that time readers at the British Museum. If they was a great matter to me in my search, I applied to the authorities at the Museum for books I have mentioned, I cannot but think

were sold at a moderate price, like the other information as to whether or not there was that many persons would purchase them, any chance of another edition being pub- and thereby save themselves very considerlished of the Catalogues, with their Indices able and valuable time by consulting them of these MSS., which were next to impossible at home, instead of at the Museum, to find to obtain in the public market. I mentioned out what they require. To those living in at the same time that each year I read about the country the saving of time would be, as 300 catalogues received from second-hand MR. SHERWOOD observes (p. 415), incalculable, booksellers resident in all parts of England to say nothing of the saving of the expenses and Scotland ; that during twenty years or which would of necessity be incurred in going more I had met with only two volumes ; that to the Museum to consult them. even the second-hand prices for them were

If the Indices only to these volumes were very high ; and that several of the early to be sold separately at a cheaper rate, they volumes were out of print, and had been so would be of the utrnost use, and save an infor many years; and

asked whether, as their finity of time, trouble, and expense to the published prices were quite prohibitory, they student. would be reprinted at a cheaper rate.

Cannot the Trustees see their way to assist In reply my attention was drawn to the not only the large and growing number of fact that the Trustees had recognized agents readers who make use of the British Museum for the sale of their publications, as shown Library, but also the still larger searching in a printed list which was sent to me. The list was dated June, 1902, and upon this object in some form or another? The

public, towards the speedy attainment of referring to p. 10 thereof I found that the labour involved would be simply reprinting Index to the Additions 1783 to 1835; that a what is already in print; the cost comparafurther Index (period not stated !); and that tively trifling, if confined to the reprinting all the seven volumes from 1836 to 1881 (cost of the Indices alone.

C. MASON. ing when issued 71. 4s , without including the

29, Emperor's Gate, S.W. Index 1783 to 1835, the price of which is not stated !) are therein stated to be “Out of print"; that the volume for 1882-7 costs PUNCH, THE BEVERAGE (10th S. iv. 401, 477). il. 1s., and that the volume for 1888-93 (the

-The derivation suggested by Mr. C. B. last date given) costs 11. 5s., or together 21. 68, Mount at the first reference is beset with which must be added to the 71. 48., making too many difficulties to admit of ready 91. 10s. And even that large cost carries one acceptance. But, before proceeding further, only up to 1893, or nine years behind the date I would take this opportunity of adding to of the list (June, 1902).

the quotations given in ‘Hobson - Jobson' I pointed out these curiosities to the autho-three more from seventeenth-century trarities, and received a reply stating that

vellers :“there had not yet been occasion to consider the also make yet another drink, which they call

* They (the Dutch in Ceylon, circa 1645] on of reprinting the out-of-print volumes, the number of copies placed in various public Pulebunz: for this they take brandy and water, an libraries in the kingdom and abroad, besides those equal quantity of each, item sugar, and 30 or more in private hands, having apparently sufficed for the lemons, from which they are wont to extract the information of students in general,

pips; but it is not so wholesome as the former

[i.e., massack, the coni position of which he has &c.; and further that “it is possible that the described].”—Johann von der Behr, ‘Diarium,' 53.

1668. "



The above, like a good deal more in this As regards punch without the prefix, in spite book, is conveyed, without acknowledgment, of Mr. Mount's arguments, I think that from J.J. Saar's work, from which Yule quotes, Fryer's derivation still holds the field as the but from the second edition, which has most likely.

DONALD FERGUSON. Palebunze in place of Pulebunze.

Croydon. 1677. “They (the French at Swally, near Surat, n 1671] also make use of another drink that is no

Mr. Mount assumes that the name "punch' better, which they call ponce, composed of harec was invented, fixed, and made “so generally [arrack], water, the juice of citrons, sugar, nutmeg, known as to have become a household word and, cinnamon, a pint (peinte] of which costs a among Dutchmen” by the agents of the sol." Relation ou Journal d'un voyage fait aux East India Company between 1614 and 1638. Indes Orientales,' by Fr. l’Estra, 57-58. 1705. Pontz or Burepontz, as the Hollanders

But there is no proper ground for the call it, they make thus : They take fresh spring assumption that it was invented by the water and squeeze therein the juice of lenions or English traders at all. The Dutch were in limes, then they make it sweet with sugar, and the East before tho English, and the Portupour Arack into it. This drink, it is true, is not guese before the Dutch. Both understood altogether wholesome to drink, yet the English think much of it, and consider it'a peculiar honour bow to obtain spirit by, distillation--as, to treat their friends, when they visit them, with indeed, did the natives of India they traded Pontz."-Christoph Langhauss, . Neue Ost-Indische with-and both knew how to mix their grog. Reise,' 201.

It is much more likely that the English newOn pp. 573-5 the author describes the tomb comers adopted the native word from the of a Dutch skipper in the burial-ground at Dutch who preceded them than that the Surat in 1695, and says:

Dutch adopted it from the English new“ Above on each side is a stone bench, and on

FRANK PENNY. each corner a big cum or drinking bowl, from which one is accustomed in India to drink Pontz, because,

The song which doubtless MR. YARDLEY as this deceased skipper had been a great lover of has in his mind is in Fletcher's play, 'Rollo, Pontz, he had himself desired that his tomb should Duke of Normandy,' published 1640, Act II. be thus adorned."

sc. ii. (The play was published in 1639, with He then quotes some curious verses, composed title The Bloody Brother,' in which the by the skipper's steersman and engraved on song does not appear, merely a stage directhe tomb, adding a German translation. In tion, "They sing."). Wine, not punch, is the the latter the Pontz of the Dutch is rendered thing celebrated. One verse, Ponch.

Wine works the heart up, wakes the wit, It is strange that while all the English There is no cure 'gainst age but it; writers quoted by Yule call the drink punch

It helps the headache, cough, and tissick, (except Fryer, who spells it paunch," which,"

And is for all diseases Physick, " is Indostan for Five, from Five In- is thus reproduced in the later song, 'Three gredients"), the earliest foreign writers agree Jolly Postboys':in describing it by a name in which this Punch cures the gout, the cholic, and the phthisic, punch appears with a puzzling dissyllabic And is to all men the best of all physic. prefix. The earliest form of this compound In 4th S. v. 543 and vi. 33 both songs are given word is palepuntz, as it is spelt by Mandelslo, at length.

C. B. MOUNT. who is also, as yet, the earliest known writer to mention the drink. (By the way, why

MR. YARDLEY's memory has deceived him, does MR. MOUNT twice call Mandelslo à as there is no mention of punch in any of “Dutchman "? He was a Mecklenburger.)

the plays of Beaumont and Fletcher. The Then we have bolleponge, pulebunz, bouleponge, drinking song that MR YARDLEY had in his paliponts, palepunts, palapuntz, burepontz, and mind occurs in 'The Bloody Brother,' Act II. lastly follepons. Yule would have us believe sc. ii. that all these forms represent an English

As regards the main question, there is a “ bowl o' punch"; and certainly some of them good deal to be said for Mr. Mount's conbear a close resemblance thereto, while the tention, but I think the weight of evidence second passage I have quoted above is in favour of punch, like arrack and toddy, to give colour to the theory. Were the last being originally an East Indian drink. Is form not unique and suggestive of a mis- there any evidence that the expression print, we might imagine the folle to be Hind. punch-house

“punch-house" was ever used out of India phūl (cf. 'Hobson-Jobson,' s.v. 'Fool's Rack'). during the seventeenth century? But it will be seen that in nearly half the

W. F. PRIDEAUX. instances the first vowel of the prefix is an a, which rather militates against Yule's theory. jolly postboys,” in which it is alleged that

I see a song, quoted that begins “Three

he says,


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