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the word punch occurs. When I first learnt petent to offer an opinion“ on what Nelson the

song, some fifty years ago, the word was might or might not write." This has nothing not punch, but brandy.

to do with what we are talking about, for I WALTER W. SKEAT. have not said a syllable about Nelson's I am inclined, trusting a very distant writing, anything. It is manifest from memory, to say that the song, or a portion

PROF. LAUGHTON's own showing that the of it, appeared in an early volume of Punch, Despatches' do not touch upon the signal in perhaps about 1843. A small illustration any way. represented the postboys carousing. It was

I observe in the booklet announcing Lloyd's accompanied by a Latin version, one line of “International Library” the following parawhich was :

graph:Tres hilares pueri soliti vexare caballos.

"The words that Nelson, signalled, England

expects every man to do his duty,' have only JOHN PICKFORD, M.A. recently been disputed. Nevertheless those were Newbourne Rectory, Woodbridge.

his actual words, which, before being sent up, had {$. B., MR. A. F. CURWEN, and H. P. L. agree officers. His intended message and the full account

been altered twice at the suggestion of two of his with PROF. SKEAT that brandy cures the gout, &c. C. L. S. is also thanked for a reply.]

are given in the Library."

The assertion that the words of the signal NELSON'S SIGNAL (10th S. iv. 321, 370, 411, were twice altered at the suggestion of 471):--PROF. LAUGHTON, by his reply, which officers is surely a thing quite impossible. cont nothing more than a confident When the Daily Mail improvised its reassertion of what he began with, makes my picture to illustrate ProF. LAUGHTON's veranswer to it easy, As he produces nothing sion of the event, it made emphatic the very now, it becomes clear that what he told us fiasco that it was my object to have prevented. about logbooks, and their recording signals I furnished it, as I have said once before, "in some instances," was scarcely ingenuous with the Thompson particulars (that'N.&Q. It counts for absolutely nothing, if this, the has found a home for), in ample time for due great signal, stands unrecorded after all in inquiry to have been made. any of them. Who is right, or who is wrong,

I see that in the account of Nelson in the matters little ; to establish the actual words Penny' as also in the 'English'Cyclopædias. was what I began hoping to achieve, and the signal is given as it ought to be: “England that is what I still desire. Even now it is expects every man to do his duty." But possible, though I fear not very likely. further than that, I now find that'N. & Q.

The matter, however, lies in a nutshell. is also on my side in an interesting paper, PROF. LAUGHTON puts forward the assertion signed S., on Marine Flag Signalling of Pasco that it was he who hoisted the (6th S. x. 417). This system was invented signal and suggested a change of form. I by Sir Home Popham when a midshipman produce Browne's assertion. He, too, says under a Capt. Thompson, commodore on the he hoisted the signal and suggested change.

Guinea Coast. These signals appear to have Pasco's tale is to me unlikely, awkward, been the literal signals that preceded those and ungrammatical (how PROF. LAUGHTON that at Trafalgar shot up the ever memorable can defend the grammar of it I cannot words that England is now pleased to blunder see, but simply request him to turn up the over ; so incapable has she become of rising to word confide in Johnson's old Dictionary,' thein.

C. A. WARD. which settles it). Browne's tale reads like candour itself, is consistent, and asks for no 261, 283, containing a graphic and well

Allow me to refer your readers to 6th S. ix. explanation at all. The admiral himself written description of the battle of Trafalgar commended it, with ". Right, Browne ! that's by William Pryce Cumby, who was first better.” Up to this point one unhappy lieutenant of the Bellerophon, and took the thing only stands out as conclusive, for in command of the ship when the captain plain terms one or other of the men must lie. (Cooke) was killed at the beginning of the Pasco's tale for me is that of the lamed duck action. This is his account of the signal that can neither walk nor fly freely.

verbatim :So much for the signal itself. PROF. LAUGHTON I judge to be a man who grinds made the Telegraphic Signal ENGLAND EXPECTS

"A Quarter past eleven [2.C. A.M.] Lord Nelson his transparent prejudices into pebble- THAT EVERY MAN WILL Do His Duty, which glasses for his own spectacles. This idiosyn- you may believe produced the most animating and crasy leads him here to step quite out of his inspiriting effect on the whole fleet." record, and to tell me that, as I have not Appended is a letter addressed to Viceread the 'Nelson Despatches,' I am incom- Admiral Collingwood, dated 30 October, 1805,

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mentioning his having taken the command Gray eventually made. There is not one when first lieutenant on the death of Capt. word in this connexion about O'Connell or Cooke, the only captain who was killed at the body of Repealers, nor is there a suggesTrafalgar. Westcott was the only captain tion that Dr. Sirr expressed a belief that who fell at the battle of the Nile.

leaders, or indeed any one, lent countenance John PICKFORD, M.A. to acts of assassination. The narrative Newbourne Rectory, Woodbridge.

refers to Dr. Sirr as "the good parson," and JAS. Platt is doubtless right in his opinion made that he had a fixed belief about Irish TRAFALGAR (10th S. iv. 385, 431, 471).—Mr. states that he playfully" addressed Sir John

as "You Rebel Repealer.” The suggestion now that the pronunciation Trafálgar is due to malcontents is purely imaginary, but the effect the English tendency to stress a long penulti- is to create an impression that he had mate, and the instance of Aladdin is very extreme political animosity. There is not much to the point. It is not, however, strictly correct to say that Aladdin and the slightest proof of such a thing. FitzSaladin were in Arabic Ala-al-din and Salah- patrick's note testifies to Dr. Sirr's compasal-din, except to the eye, because the letter sion, and his extreme anxiety that his father's lām, by the process known as the euphonic Dublin) should not be the means of exposing

papers (now in Trinity College Library, teshdid, is passed over in pronunciation and assimilated to the following consonant, any one to public indignation. when that consonant happens to be one of

Let me now call attention to the catalogue the fourteen solar letters. The two names

entry of Major Sirr's papers :in question are in Arabic 'Alàu-'d-din and “Major Henry C. Sirr's Papers, relating chiefly Salāhu-'d-din. Why the common English to the Rebellion, 1798 to 1804, 9 rols. fol., with spelling should differ in the two cases, I portfolio. cannot say. Trafalgar is of course Tarafu- also other papers concerning matters of police of

Including letters, informations, warrants, &c., ’l-ghār, which means the place of the cave. various dates up to 1831. The portfolio contains In ordinary Arabic, a cave is mughāra. The the • Declaration of Catholics of Ireland,' 1792, as Moors have a habit of eliding the first short sent to Dublin from different localities ; some copies vowel in a word, hence Traf for Taraf, Spāhi on parchment, some on paper, with all the original for Sipāhi, &c.



As the portfolio was in Major Sirr's keepSARAH CORRAN, ROBERT EMMET, AND ing, no surprise need be expressed that he MAJOR SIRR'S PAPERS (10th S. iii. 303, 413, also had the correspondence which_passed 470; iv. 52, 111, 310).-I cannot help express- between Sarah Curran and Robert Emmet. ing astonishment that FRANCESCA should Mr. MacDonagh does not realize that during seriously write (ante, p. 112), on the testi- Major Sirr's tenure, which extended_over mony of the late Sir John Grey, that the several administrations, the office of Town Rev. D'Arcy Sirr had a fixed belief that all Major of the Garrison of Dublin was a very Irish inalcontents were favourable to assas- active and confidential one. Sometimes it sination, even O'Connell and the Repealers has been affirmed with exaggeration that (Fitzpatrick's 'Sham Squire,' pp: 273-6)." Major Sirr was “omnipotent" at the Castle. The reference is to a long memorandum made, Correspondence of Russell, Emmet's assoin August, 1858, by Fitzpatrick, purporting ciate, formed part of the “Sirr Papers" made to give details received from Sir John Gray over to the library of Trinity College, Dublin, of a visit to Dr. Sirr's rectory at Kilcoleman by the Rev. Joseph D'Arcy Sirr, D.D., when (in 1842), where he spent the day, and found his friend Dr. Todd (vide 'D.N.B.') was the rector sorting Major Sirr's papers. A librarian. The catalogue entry is :discovery was made from the papers that a personage then living (to Dr. Sirr's astonish- Correspondence of Thomas Russell, sometime ment) had been an informer in 1798. Sirr

Prisoner of State in Dublin, 1793-99.2 vols." extracted a promise from Gray that he would This shows conclusively that the Currannot make this known, urging that “the Emmet letters did not comprise the only papers before him showed him that the fate correspondence seized by the authorities of detected informers in '98 was death." He which is not to be found in Government was not aware of safeguards, even in 1843, boxes or volumes, or among the papers of a and know what might have been the conse- former Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland. quence if the man in question, who was then MR. MACDONAGH's comment that it is posing as a Repealer, had been exposed. He unusual to destroy, papers seized by orders was assuredly right, with strong argument of Government is irrelevant. Dr. Sirr not to help him, in extracting the promise which only states that he saw the Curran-Emmet

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letters deliberately consumed, but he also those about 1803 in the Home Office furnished gives the reason.

absolutely new material. The tender conI need not go far afield to show how hazy sideration shown by all the authorities to information about Miss Sarah Curran appears Sarah Curran surely offers little countenance to be; for the pages of .N. & Q.' a few years to the alleged nature of some of her letters, ago will prove it. It was then demonstrated and it is to be remembered that the letters that a tradition was without foundation must have been read at Dublin Castle ; yet which attributed to her the later of the only in the secret confidential correspondence of genuine portraits of Percy Bysshe Shelley the Lord Lieutenant and other officials no extant; the 'D.N.B.,' under Shelley, vol. lii. hint is given of any atrocious sentiments in p. 39, proves this. I have noticed that one of them, though comment is freely made on the his Majesty's ministers referred to Miss characters and sentiments of persons impliCurran as a pupil of Mary Wollstonecraft cated in the insurrection. FRANCESCA. (or that she appeared to be a true pupil). [FATHER W. SIRR, a nephew of Dr. D'Arcy Sirr, As Shelley married Mary Wollstonecraft's also sends us a long letter, but we regret that our daughter, this may possibly account for the space will not permit us to insert more on this confusion of Miss Sarah Curran with another subject.] Miss Curran who painted Shelley's portrait in Rome in 1819, when Sarah Curran had that the preacher took for his text Tobit,

TOBY's Dog (10th S. iv. 508).--I suppose been dead many years,

H. SIRR. 50, Twisden Road, Highgate.

v. 16: "The young man's dog [went] with

them." For the " I accept ONLOOKER's deserved rebuke for Tobias, or, in modern English, Toby:

young man was named giving information at second hand which I could not verify.

WALTER W. SKEAT. All through the present discussion I have The allusion is, of course, to the well-known had no desire to misrepresent the actions of story in the Apocrypha.

T. D. T. Major Sirr or his son, and I am equally innocent of any desire to "foster idoliza- THE AUTHOR OF WHITEFRIARS' (10th S. iv. tion" of Robert Emmet or Sarah Curran. 447).-In reply to MR. NIELD I can say that My interest in the men and women of 1803 the boldness of the cataloguers of the British is purely historical. I know Madden and Museum is fully justified. Notwithstanding Fitzpatrick are partisans, but there is unfor- that they make some 4,000 corrections in tunately little history written in Ireland their Catalogue annually, I should say they except by partisans. I quoted from "The are generally right, as they are in this Sham Squire' simply because Sir J. Greg's instance. narrative seemed to offer a natural and not Since 1868 (when her name did not appear offensive explanation of how the Rev. J. D. in the Catalogue) there has been no doubt Sirr came to pen the note he did.

about the author of this novel of the I still think the note of J. D. S. was un

“Harrison Ainsworth breed,” to repeat necessary and unwarrantable. All the wit- Allibone's quotation.

were dead, and the correspondence For myself I need hardly make any excuse, had either been destroyed or had disap. as my book, quoted by MR. NIELD, was the peared ; certainly it could not be referred to first essay of the kind in English literature

6; for confirmation or refutation. This is the but I fear I am responsible for “Jane.' view taken by Dr. Madden (United Irish. Halkett and Laing copied me; Cushing men,' iii. 514), and I think most

un- copied them. prejudiced persons will agree with him. MR. On 19 June, 1862, Miss Emma Robinson SIRR is mistaken when he states, “I believe was given a Civil List pension of 75l. a year, Dr. Sirr's note about Miss Curran's and and according to the return to the House of Emmet's correspondence never appeared in Commons she was still taking it in 1889. I print until I sent it to 'N. and Q.. "" for have never heard of her death. There was this note was printed in Madden's life of also in the same list a Mrs. Emma Robinson Emmet, forty-five years ago, to which I have taking a pension. My eldest sister, who already referred. omitted from this note the words "upon my

Dr. Madden strangely knew Miss Emma Robinson in 1850, told me father's visit," and so wasted time in guesses

* A person who gets novels published for her and about “J. D. S.," all wide of the mark. makes money by them is given a pension; but a

ONLOOKER and MR. Sirr do not seem to person who devotes many years of life to a biblioknow how well the Sirr papers were ran informed that bibliography is an officially unknown

graphy, and has to spend 5001. in publishing it, is sacked, whereas the Hardwicke papers and land unrecognizable quantity.


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she was born about 1813, and that her father London, 1832, of which the B.M. has fifteen was a bookseller.

numbers (P.P. 5358). The title was also used In The Standard of 14 Feb., 1870, is a letter by monthly periodicals in 1840 and 1844. In signed “Emma Robinson, author of · White- 1805 The Star being issued. The friars,' &c.," addressed from 15, South Bank, Bodleian has a broken run from 1789 to Regent's Park, complaining that Mr. H. T. 1808. I have press cuttings extending the Craven had taken "his play of Philomel' latter date to 1810. Perhaps The Observer (then being played at the Globe) from her advertisement refers to a proposed morning romance 'Which Wins?'

issue of this journal, which it is to be supposed I have a letter from her father, from the was an afternoon or evening publication. same address, dated 26 Sept., 1873, referring The Morning Star first issued 17 March, to his daughter. The handwriting looks like | 1856, distributed on 5 March a four-page that of a very old man.

gratis" issue (11 in. by 8} in.) containing The Publishers' Circular, 1859, p.715, a history of Covent Garden Theatre and a announced a novel, to be entitled The Irish full report of its destruction by fire between Brigadierman,' as by the author of 'White- 5 and 10 AM. The remaining space was friars.' The hero was to be the once famous utilized for a prospectus of the "New London Earl of Peterborough, the friend of Pope and Daily Papers, The Morning Star-The EvenSwift. It does not appear in 'The English ing Star."


RALPH THOMAS. 39, Hillmarton Road. STAINES BRIDGE (10th S. iv. 469).—What is DORSET PLACE-NAME : RYME INTRINSECA the span of the arches of this bridge ? Nine (10th S. iv. 89).--Of course MR. BARRON has feet is quite a respectable thickness for piers. seen Hutchins's (“ History of Dorset,' vol. iv.

L. L. K. p. 491) derivation of this place : JAMES BUTLER, DUKE OF ORMOND (10th S. Intrinseca - In - Ryme (so called in contraiv. 467): - In The Gentleman's Magazine, 1745, diction to the outlying manor of Ryme p. 614, is found, in the obituary of November, Extrinseca in Long bridy)." And under the * James, late D. of Ormond, at Madrid, heading of Long-Bridy (vol. ii. p. 188) the in the 94th year of his age.” (I find Dorset historian speaks of a place called 94th in my, notes, but should verify it Dowerfield, or Halling's Manor," as being

" had I the volume by me.) The title is now then only a farm, though styled in records spelt with a final e, as also in Courthope's the manor of Long-Bridy, belonging to the and G. E. C.'s peerages.


manor of “Out-Ryme, or Ryme Extrinsecus."

Perhaps the rector of Long Bredy may PIG : SWINE: Hog (10th S. iv. 407, 449, 510) know it better by either of these first-men-Once more, at p. 512, we are told that tioned names.

J. S. UDAL, F.S.A. “Swine [is] the plural of sow." But the A.-S. Antigua, W.I. swin, a neuter noun, has the same form for the singular and the plural, so that modern

TAILOR IN DRESDEN CAINA (10th S. iv. 469). English likewise has swine, pl. swine. And –The title of this query should be 'Tailor the plural of sow is sows. Examples : " Boares riding on a Goat.' This is, or was some have great fangs, Sowes much lesse” (Bacon, thirty years ago, the usual way of represent

Nat. Hist.,' § 852. “How like a swine he ing å tailor in Austria-Hungary. Boys on lies" ("Tam. Shrew,' Induction, 34).

seeing a member of the craft would-in those It was Dr. Johnson who perpetrated this days, anyhow-immediately imitate the voice extraordinarily bad guess. At least, I find it of a goat or place their hand under the chin in Todd's edition of his dictionary, s.v. sow :


wag it to imitate a goat's beard, and run "Perhaps from sow might come sowen, swen, away without waiting for developments. swine ; but see Swine." So that even he was

A great many years ago I saw in a condoubtful about it, and it is needless to add fectioner's shop in Budapest a masterpiece in that sowen never occurs as the pl. of sow, that sweetstuffs. It represented a pair of scales. the contraction of sowen to swen is obviously In one dish, low, near the ground, sat a goat impossible, as the e would perish rather than wearing spectacles and beaming with smiles ; the o, and that no one ever heard of -en turn on the other side, high up in the air, the dish ing into .ine. He was thinking of cow, old was crowded with tailors with their flat plural ky, with the double plural ky-en, irons ; members of the craft were clinging to whence kine. WALTER W. SKEAT.

the edge and swarming up the ropes too. "THE MORNING STAR' (10th S. iv. 464). —

This was in allusion to the light weight of There was

tailors. I forget how many tailors are said a Morning Star published in to go to the weight of a goat. I have never

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heard an explanation of what the origin of drama of Punch "was invariably sustained by a the tale of the tailor and the goat may be. male comedian. Cf. The Old Curiosity Shop, L. L. K. chap. xvii., near the end :

*** Here he is, BAINES FAMILY (10th S. iv. 69, 330).-- John said Jerry, producing a little terrier from his

pocket. He was once a Toby of yours, Baines, of Layham, in Suffolk, died in 1776.

warn't he?'"

MISTIGRIS. By his will, inade in 1753, he leaves to his eldest son John 1s., he having been provided

DOGS IN WAR (10th S. iv. 488).-An article for already; and to his wife property in with the title Dogs in War' appeared in The

, Polding (sic), in Suffolk and Essex, for life. Glasgow Herald of 4 November. [],

ST. EWART. and at her death to his younger children not named. James Johnson, Bishop of Gloucester,

‘CHEVY CHASE' (10th S. iv. 89, 155).-Judghis brother-in-law, and Sarah Johnson, his ing from Col. PRIDEAUX's and Mr. E. YARDsister-in-law, are trustees should his wife die LEY's replies, I gather that nothing more is before the youngest child is twenty - four actually known about the date of the more years old. His wife Elizabeth survived him, modern ballad of Chevy Chase” than was and proved his will as sole executrix ; she was known to Percy when he published his 'Reborn in 1711.

liques of Antique English Poetry'in 1765. In A John Baines was born in or about the introduction to the original poem he Langham, in Essex, between 1703 and 1707 ; said :he was the son of William, the grandson of “Addison has given an excellent critique on this Robert, and the great - nephew of John very popular ballad, but is mistaken with regard to Baines, all of Langham. By a will made in the antiquity of the common received copy; for 1722 his great-uncle John left hiip property older than the time of Elizabeth. 1 Hlatter myself I

this, if one may judge from the style, cannot be in Great Cornard, Little Cornard, Newton, have here recovered the genuine antique poem, the Copdock, Belstead, and the manor of Heyses, true original song...... Whoever considers the style in Suffolk, and 1,2001. in money, all at and orthography of this old poem will not be twenty-one years of age, and made him one inclined to place it lower than the time of Hen. VI.: of his executors. The same testator, who as, on the other hand, the mention of Janes, the was for that time a very wealthy man, also bids us to assign it an earlier date."

Scottish King, with one or two anachronisms, forleft a mortgage on property in Polden and Colchester to another great-nephew.

With regard to the "more modern ballad ” I think there can be no reasonable doubt Percy wrote: that the John Baines born at Langham about When I call the present admired ballad modern 1705 was the John Baines who died at I only mean that it is comparatively 80; for that it Layham in 1776. I find that John Baines, of could not be writ much later

than the time of Queen

Elizabeth, I think may be made appear; nor yet Melford, who was mixed up in the rector of does it seem to be older than the beginning of the Melford's lawsuits, died without issue, in last (seventeenth] century....... That it could not be 1729, having been a Fellow of Peterhouse much later than that time, appears from the phrase, since 1689; he also was an Essex man.

'doleful dumps'; which in that age carried no ill References : Brit. Mus. Davy's MSS. under sound with it, but to the next generation became

ridiculous." Babergh and Cosford Hundreds, and pedigrees, Johnson of Melford. - Wills: Prerogative


It would certainly appear doubtful if there Court. John Baines of Melford, 328 Abbott. were any substantial ground for Froude's John Baines of Layham, 53 Bellas. John assertion that the "doleful dumps" stanza Baines of Langham, 3 Bolton.-Commissary

was composed in the eclipse of heart and of London for Essex and Herts. Robert taste, on the restoration of the Stuarts." Bains of Langham, 392 Rickett. William

F. R. CAVE. Baines of Langham, 251 Backhouse.

In the first line of the stanza at p. 155 MARK W. BULLEN. “haste" is a misprint for “harte" (the ordinEaling, W.

ary spelling of the period).

ALEX. LEEPER. Eliot YORKE (10th S. iv. 488).-I think that this will be found to have been the Hon. MELCHIOR GUY DICKENS (100b S. iv. 469). — Eliot Yorke, son of the Earl of Hardwicke of The spelling of this name should be Guyc. 1850.

WM. H. PEET. dickens. I have since found the date of his

appointment as Ambassador to Russia—1749. DOG TRAINING (10th S. iv. 488). -I know not He retired at his own request in 1755. He what may be the custom nowadays, but in had been Envoy Extraordinary to Sweden in former times the role of Toby in the great 1742 (Marquis Townshend's MŠS.).

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