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chimes being connected with the verses. The ings ascribed to fitter is one who conducts the clock and chimes of Ware parish church were, sales between the owner of a coal-pit and a shipper according to the parish register, put up about 1732, of coals."

St. SWITHIN. and, whatever may have been their alteration or transposition, now ring as follows :

This word may possibly be connected with hoast Sunday~" Ob, rest in the Lord.”

in the name hoastmen, an ancient gild or fraterMonday-" There is no luck about the house." nity at Newcastle, dealing in sea-coal" (Halliwell;

Tuesday—“Believe me, if all those endearing see also Coles's and Bailey's dictionaries). Peryoung charms." (The chime is also known as haps some local reader versed in the archæology The Watercress Girl.')

of the great coal town will be able to give us the Wednesday—“Life let us cherish.”

meaning of hoast.

F. ADAMS. Thursday, 'The Last Rose of Summer.'

105, Albany Road, Camberwell, S. E. Friday Blue Bells of Scotland.' Saturday-'Home, sweet Home.'

“BURN THE BELLOWS " (8th S. ii. 527 ; iii. 77). Until 1877 the tune rung on Sundays was

-Bernard Barton, the Quaker poet, in a letter of " Hanover," "O, worship the King." A copy of 1847, describing a fine old English yeoman, says : The Contract' may probably be found in the “I was gravely queried when I happened to say that British Museum, and an interesting account of his children had asked me to write a few lines to his the church bells of Hertfordshire was compiled by general tone of my poetry—the speaker doubted if he

memory, whether I could do this in keeping with the the late Thomas North, and completed and edited was a decidedly pious character ! He had at times in by J. C. L. Stahlschmidt. ROBERT WALTERS. his altitude been known to vociferato a song, of which Ware Priory.

the chorus was certainly not toetotalism

Sing old Rose, and burn the bellows, THOMAS MILTON (8th S. iii. 69).- In the

Drink, and drive dull care away." “Chronology of the Reigns of George III. and IV., by W. J. Belsham, Esq:, 1829," the death is

If the song about old Rose, of the Ram Inn, at recorded, on February 27, 1827, of " Mr. Thomas Nottingham, is the original version, perhaps others Milton, engraver : his grandfather was brother to grow from it, and were adapted to local circum


JAMES HOOPER. John Milton.


Norwich. Norwich. The following works are preserved in the British RUBBERS (8th S. iii. 68).-Rubbers did not sigMuseum Library :

nify “a contact or collision of two balls," but a The Chimney-Piece-Maker's Daily Assistant, or, a set or match at the game of bowls. The following treasury of new designs for Chimney-Pieces...... From the quotations prove this :original drawings of Thomas Milton, etc. 8vo. Lond.,

“Our goodmen may perchance once in a month get a 1766.

foregamo of us; but if they win a rubbers of us, let them A Collection of Select Views from the different Seats throw their caps at it."–1602, Middleton,' Blurt, Master of the Nobility and Gentry in the Kingdom of Ireland. Constable,"iii. 3. Engraved by Thomas Milton. [With descriptions] obl. “He gamed away eight double ringed tokens on a 4to. (Lond. and Dub. 1794 ()].

rubbers at bowles with the curate and some of his idle Views in Egypt...... Engraved by and under the Direce companions." - 1634 (?), Heywood, “The Lancashire tion of Thomas Milton, fol. Lond. 1801. Another ed. 1804. Witches,' i. 1.

This work contains forty-eight coloured plates, “Coomes, come hither sirrah, when our fathers part, of considerable beauty.

call us upon the green. Pbilip, come, a rubbers, and 80 Milton's death is thus recorded in Gent. Mag., 1. i.

leave.”—1599, “ The Two Angry Women of Abingdon,' April, 1827, vol. xcvii. part i. p. 379 :

"A match at two shilling rubbers” is spoken of “Feb. 27. At Bristol, aged eighty-four, Mr. Tho. Mil. top, the celebrated engraver. His grandfather was

as being played by sides in the country (The brother to John Milton, the author of Paradise Lost.'

Parson's Wedding,' ante 1650, i. 3). Probably DANIEL HIPWELL.

bowls is here referred to. 17, Hilldrop Crescent, N.

The word is used in a proverbial phrase, “What

Ingenioso ? how hast thou held out rubbers 'ere “ Dasts” (8ch S. iii. 107, 134).-I believe the since thou wentest from Parnassus?" Equivalent to oasts in this case were middlemen, who bought fish “How have you rubbed along ?” (“Returne from from those who caught it or from those who carried Parnassus,' part i. Act I.). it up to London, and disposed of it to the retail It was probably not tranferred to whist till dealers. Years ago I made a note from the bowls went into decay. The word rub had a *Memoir of Ambrose Barnes' (Surtees Society), totally distinct sense, and is still used with p. 102, in which ostman is defined as "hostman, a the same meaning at golf. H. C. HART. fitter, a mediator between the oaste or stranger arriving in the Tyne and sellers.” In Ogilvio's “ MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT” (8th S. iii. 88).

Comprehensive Dictionary,' among several mean. Members of Parliament are so called in Claren


Or perbe

don's 'History of the Rebellion. They were called to have been taken in, and ought even now to be Members of Parliament in the time of Charles I., turned out. Ere another stranger is welcomed as witness King Charles's own words: “I'm going can we not at least see what we have close at to demand justice upon the five members, my band ? Spelwire and wire-spel for telegraph and enemies loaded with obloquies." Then there are telegram have already been suggested by the late the lines, attributed to Shakespeare, on Sir Rev. W. Barnes, whose knowledge ought to have Thomas Lucy of Charlecote (the Justice Shallow given them some weight; it seems, however, that of the plays), beginning thus :

they have been set aside. A parliamente member, a justice of peace,

Might we not, ere too late, take speechwére, At home & poor scare-crowe, at London an alle, wire-speech, tellwire, wire-telth or tale, wordwire, It may be that these lines were not written by wireword, for telephone and telephonic message Shakespeare, but there seems evidence enough, on

If none of these is thought good, there are others the authority of Oldys, to show that the ballad in to choose from. Of the following, one or two may which we meet with them was composed as far be deemed as good as those already put forward. back as the days of Shakespeare ; and, if so, the Might we not use spelwire, wirespel for telegraph, term "Member of Parliament " 'must have been telegram; and sound-spelwire, sound-wirespel for in use in the time of Queen Elizabeth.

telephone and telephonic message ? The two In the Calendar of State Papers of the reign latter would soon be shortened into soundwire, of Mary in the Public Record Office, there is a soundspel. We already say "wire it," so the other paper (dated December 10, 1567), thus headed :- is not a very wide step beyond.

"The Queen to the Sheriffs of counties and the Mayors flashwire, flashspel for the first, and soundwire, and Burgesses of corporate towns, urging them to see soundspel for the two latter might do; otherwise that discreet and good Catholic members be chosen to tongue-wire, tongue-wire-spel (which would become serve in the Parliament to be bolden on the 20th of tongue-spel) for telephone and telephonic message, January.”

If these will not pass, why not farwrit or farmark It is true this beading may have been affixed to for telegram, farword or farsound or farspeech for the paper at a later period than Mary's reign, and telegraphic message, and farwriter, farspeaker, or the term “members may not 'occur in the paper farteller for telegraph, telephone ? Although, itself, yet the probability appears otherwise. I indeed, against these last, notwithstanding, the should quite expect to find the words “ discreet laughter they may excite (of which spark of and good Catholic members” in the paper itself. pleasure the writer will only be too glad to be the

O. W. Cass. cause), farwrittle and farspeakle for telegraph and The words “parliamente member” occur in the telephone may have as much, if not more, to vulgar lampoon, which has been erroneously attri- recommend them, as they have or any before them. buted to Shakespeare,

However, all are simply thrown into the field by A parliamente member, a justice of peace,

way of challenge, no one else having come forAt home a poor scare-crow, at London an asse.

ward on the English side. They will have done These lines were in existence towards the close of good work if they only bring out two English the seventeenth century, they were received from champions that will hold the ground against them

AD LIBRAM. a Mr. Jones, of Tarbick, who died in 1703, and and the foreigners too. was over ninety years of age. De Quincey seizes Telephon is too near telephone, I fear, to be on the term as a proof of their spuriousness as admissible; telepheme is exotic ; phogram is too regards the Shakespearean authorship, —

abrupt, and is suggestive of program, grogram, “ the phrase 'parliament member,' we believe to be and Elijah Pogram. I have had a polite letter quite unknown in the colloquial use of Queen Eliza- from Mr. Francis J. Parker, of Boston, Mass., in beth's reign."—'Shakspeare,' vol. xv. p. 57.

which he suggests phonomit as an equivalent for a W. A. HENDERSON.

telephonic message. It is good, but does not fully Dublin,

satisfy my aspirations. Mittophon and phonotel Clarendon ('Rebellion,' book üii.) writes :- are not uneuphonic. The former I think the “There was observed a marvellous elated countenance better word ; indeed, I fancy it to be the best yet in most of the members of parliament before they met proposed.

ROBERT LOUTHEAN. together in the house." EDWARD H. MARSHALL, M.A.

OBOE (8th S. iii. 108).— References to this instruHastings.

ment are very many, and although WEYGHTE

particularly calls on " HERMENTRUDE to give her TELEPHONIC (8th S. ii. 488 ; iii. 77).-Wby do valuable aid,” perhaps some other aid may also be we turn 80 hastily to Greek and Latin whenever permitted. The earliest reference to it that I know & new word is wanted, instead of seeking one of is in Falstaff's derisive reflections on Shallow home-born ? The English speech is already over-(2 Henry IV.,' III. 2), “the case of a treble burdened with outlandish words that ought never hautboy was a mansion to him," which is uttered

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in reference to his miserable leanness; and “ treble” militant priest got killed at the battle of the seems always to be used in connexion with the Boyne before he had had time to be consecrated. oboe. The old dictionaries of the early eighteenth See Olden's 'Church of Ireland,' p. 369. century give “oboe" as a “hautboy," a "Hoboy

C. MOOR, or an O'Boy," and further search brings forth

SILVER IN BELLS (8th S. iii. 105).—Your correthe oboe d'amoro, a very sweet-toned hautboy, which, after falling into desuetade, was again spondent Mr. Tomlinson made some experiments brought into use to render the scores of Bach over fifty years ago that disproved,

I thought, the correctly, and was employed in so doing at West- superstition of silver “improving" the tone of minster Abbey in January, 1880. Also there is bells. He had several dishes made, all of identical

puro the oboe di caccia, a most ancient instrument, pattern, of different metals and alloys. The corresponding somewhat to the almost equally silver. The 'alloys were bell-metal, yellow brass,

metals were, I believe, iron, copper, zinc, and ancient hunting-born, or to a bassoon in tone, and much used once in Italy. But if WEYGHTE de- and German silver. I noticed that all were beaten sires a full and comprehensive description of the hollow in musical tone by the yellow brass, of


and zinc. instrument and its etymology, he can, I think,

E. L. G. scarcely be recommended to anything better than Lord Grimthorpe writes : “ The common notion Dr. Burney's musical articles in Rees's 'Cyclo of the old bells having silver in them is a mere pædia,' or to his 'History of Music.'

vulgar error, equal to any of Sir Thomas Browne's." JNO. BLOUNDELLE-BURTON.

For this, with more on the composition of bellBarnes Common.

metal, see bis ‘Lectures on Church-building; with “WHAT CHEER ?” (8th S. iii. 66, 94).—This is some Practical Remarks on Bells and Clocks' (by a favourite ejaculation in the Royal Navy, where E. B. Denison), Lond., 1856, p. 284, with the


ED. MARSHALL many another genuine archaism has been preserved in pickle for everyday use when almost forgotten The following anecdote, which I heard in Hunashore. I have the following notes of its occurrence gary some twenty years ago, seems to be to the in early writers.

point. A bell was about to be cast, and the metal What chere, Joseph, what ys the case, was nearly ready, when, according to custom, the That ye lye here on this ground?

guests who had been invited to witness the process * Coventry Mysteries' (ed. Halliwell), p. 95.

stepped forward one by one and throw silver coins Phylander. I prithee speake : what cheere ? loculo. What cheere can here be hopte for in these mistaking the purport of the offerings, sbyly cast

into the molten metal. One old lady, however, woods ?

Bullen, 'Old Playe,' i. 157. her modest paper forin into the furnace.

L. L. K. And in Heywood's 'A Woman Killed with Kind. ness' (1604) it will also be found. It occurs also CROYDON (8th S. iii. 87).-Awaiting a better in Shakespeare. I could give other instances, but reply to DR. MURRAY'S query, may I offer, as a I can find no recent ones. It will probably be mere guess, the following attempt ? About 1850 found to occur in naval songs. H. C. Hart.

a coach-builder of Croydon invented a new sort of ANNE Vaux (8th S. iii. 29, 136). — The Hon. carriage, in which the body consisted of wickerKATALEEN WARD mentions Joanna Beaufort as and pony-carriages were made in this way, and

work, instead of the usual panelling. Phaetons the daughter of Joba of Gaunt by his second wife, were called " Oroydon basket-carriages." They Katherine Roet. John of Gaunt's second wife was Constantia of Castile. Katherine Roet, or they may have been taken up in (reland, their

seem to have gone out of fashion; but perhaps Swynford, by which name she seems oftener men.

name being abbreviated into “Croydon carriages," tioned, was his so-called third wife. At least she and finally into “Croydong," just as the Hansom was married to John of Gaunt in 1396, three years patent safety cab has become a

“ Hansom." If before his death ; but all her children, the Beau- the word is originally Irish, my guess comes to forts, were born out of wedlock, though they were subsequently legitimatized by Henry Iv.


J. Dixon. TAUPE.

THE POETS IN A THUNDERSTORM (8th S. ii. 422, Rev. GEORGE WALKER, BISHOP OF DERRY 482 ; iii. 22, 95).-It is always a pity to diverge (8th S. ii. 408;

iii. 52). - It might help your original from the main subject under consideration ; but querist, who had heard of him as Bishop of Derry, as the question has been raised whether descriptive and was told that there was no such bishop, to be poetry is any longer possible, one word more may informed that this was through an accident, or be said on the subject. It appears to be assumed rather the fortune of war. William III. bad that no living poet is equal to description of destined Walker for the see of Derry, in gratitude natural beauty, and that

, at any rate, as a matter for his gallantry during the siege ; but the too of fact, no one attempts such work. There would

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[8th S. III. MAR. 4, '93.

seem to be nothing between Thomson and Cowper and a cope or vestment. Cranmer may, therefores on the one hand, and, on the other, those coming have sometimes worn a cope and sometimes a bards who sball rejoice in the day when "science chasuble at the Eucharist.

At Durbam copes
and poetry will yet join hands.” Now surely this were worn long after the chasuble had been dis-
is very strange, especially when we think of the used. So also at Westminster. O. MOOR.
descriptive poetry that has been written, from the
early work of Keats to the last lines of Lord THE FAIRY VASE (8th S. ii. 125).-Besides
Tennyson. It must surely be true that we are in Longfellow's rendering of Uhland's poem on this
the habit of talking about poets without reading legend there is a pretty ballad entitled "The Lack
their poetry, and that, as a living poet has said, of Eden-Hall,' by Jeremiah Holme Wiffen, the

poetry is simply a drug in the market.” Perhaps translator of Tasso's "Gerusalemme Liberata' and
it is the case that a new style of verse will result of the works of Garalasso de la Vega, called the
from the harmonious co-operation of poetry and Prince of Castilian Poets. This may be found in
science—that, so far as the evidence goes, is the Book of British Ballads' (pp. 399–408), edited
only a presumption—but meanwhile, the ques- by S. C. Hall, illustrated by Alfred Crowquill
tion whether descriptive poetry can be written at (Forester), each ballad illustrated by a diferent
the present time may be very easily answered. Take artist. This poem is by no means so well known
only one poet and one volume, and let these be as Longfellow's translation. The artist has repre-
Mr. Swinburne and his Tristram of Lyonesse sented the cup in form like a chalice, and the
and other Poems.' Consider there the sunrise queen of the fairies standing in it.
and the rowing scene, both in "The Sailing of the There is a curious poem

on the cup, called the
Swallow' (p. 27 and p. 36 respectively), and then Drioking Match at Eden-Hall,' by Pbilip, Duke
deny, if possible, that descriptive poetry can be of Wharton, a parody on the ballad of Chevy
written now. For quick and minute observation, Chace,' to be found in Evans's Old Ballads,
aptness and adequacy of diction, pregnant, nimble, vol. ii. p. 291. This must have been written prior
and vigorous fancy, graceful and suggestive ima- to 1731, at which date “Wharton, the scorn and
gery, and fluency of harmonious verse, these wonder of his days," died in Spain. Antony Alsop
passages may stand with anything in the language. addresses an odo in Latin sapphics, based upon
The fact is that it is not science that is indis. this carousal, to his friend the Rov. Sir John
pensable to make poetry effective-the desideratum Dolben, of Finedon, co. Northants. This may be
is that of the old painter, whose firm belief was found in Alsop's 'Odes,' 1752, a very scarce book
that we must mix our colours "with brains, sir." in quarto.
Fortunately, this combination will be possible in
English verse while Mr. Swinburne (and others his amusing book What I Remember,' gives an
who might be named) continue to write.

account of the goblet which he bad often seen pro

THOMAS BAYNE. duced when dining at Edenhall, near Penrith, Helensburgh, N.B.

about 1830, mentioning that Sir George Mas

grave frequently placed it in the hands of visitors ; CHARLES LAMB AS A RITUALIST (8th S. iii. 28, and also gives us the inscription upon it :76, 132).-Stole, no doubt, was used in early times

When this cup shall break or fall, as denoting an ecclesiastical vestment generally.

Farewell the luck of Edenhall, But Scott could not, I think, have used it as In a note appended it is added (vol. ii. p. 37): = surplice. The surplice is never used in the celebration of mass ; the stole is always eo usod, grave asked Longfellow to dine at Edenhall, and picked

“Subsequently to the publication of his poem Mor under the chasuble. Any choir man or choir boy | a crow' with him on the conclusion of the poem, which may use a sorplice, and may use a cope. The represents the 'Luck' to have been broken, which Sir latter is not a sacerdotal vestment, and cannot be George considered a flight of imagination quite transcendworn by the celebrant at mass. Some have alleged ing all permissible poetical licence." that the Armenians do so use the cope; but in In Longfellow's 'Poems' this is said to be their ritual it is really a chasuble, cut open in front merely a translation from Uhland. The baronetcy for convenience, just as modern chasubles in the of Musgrave of Edenhall stands fifth on the West are cut off at the shoulders for convenience. roll, and was one of the original creations of The pall would not be used over a cope, but James I. I can remember very well the late Sir over a chasuble.

GEORGE ANGUS. Richard Musgrave, in the year 1855, when he was St. Andrews, N.B.

about sixteen, and at that time the pupil of an old

friend of mine. Both of them have passed away. Perhaps Dean Milman was not so very far wrong about Archbishop Cranmer's vestments. For during


Newbourne Rectory, Woodbridge, his archiepiscopate it was ordered that when a bishop should celebrate the Holy Communion be The extract from the Manchester Courier gives s should wear, besides his rochet, a surplice or albe, version of the tradition of the Luck of Edenhall

friend Thomas Adolphus Trollope, in

1 as & vase

with which I am upacquainted. As usually told, such as spring in the Winter, may be found in most parts it was a butler going to fetch water from St. Cuth of Europe, and divers also in England.' bert's well who came upon the feasting fairies and who mentions one tree that flowered regularly at Bul

"To him have to be added also the names of Gilpin, snatched away their goblet. What authority is strode, on the 21st December, and another in the arborethere for assigning one of the Musgrave family as tum at Kew; Dean Wren, who deals both with the the hero of the tale? I suspect this version the Glastonbury Thorn and the New Forest Oak, in which more, since the Manchester Courier is certainly King James could not bee induced to beleave' until incorrect in stating that the goblet-which is by Wilkin, who, like the dean, edited Browne and added

a bishop's chaplain went to see it sprout; and Simon no means what is understood in ordinary parlance many interesting notes. Particularly he tells us that

-“ has on the top the letters 1.H.S.” the thorn is a variety of the Cratægus oxyacanthe, Those letters are on the cover of the leathern case whose proper time of flowering is May, whence it obtains wherein it is kept. The Rev. Dr. Fitch described its common name of Mayblossom. Paxton, in his the cup and its case fully in the Scarborough the thorn is very hardy, but says no further.

Botanical Dictionary,' confines himself to statiog that Gazette in the year 1880, and discussed its history, "Meanwhile, there are many other places frequently and his account was afterwards reprinted for pri- mentioned as possessing holy thorns, the names of which vate circulation. The Book of Days' also con- escape the memory; Suffolk being, I think, the possessor tains the legend and a description, with a drawing, of one, if not more. of cup and case. Of authentic history of the cup


Barnes Common, there is very little. The problems connected with it are similar to those connected with a number of

Since sending the original cutting from the drinking vessels elsewhere in Celtic and Teutonic Standard of January 16 many letters have appeared countries. I have considered them in the sixth in that paper, and more especially one from the chapter of 'The Science of Fairy Tales' (London, Rector of Woodham Ferrers. Those who consult Walter Scott, 1891), and if any correspondent of N. & Q.' in future years concerning this subject .N. & Q.' can add to the information I have there should, therefore, be referred to the correspondence brought together I shall be very grateful.

in the Standard during January, 1893. E. SIDNEY HARTLAND.

C. MOOR. Barnwood Court, Gloucester.

Something on this subject may be found in A print of the Luck of Edenball and of the Dyer's Folk-Lore' (see index "Glastonbury") leathern case in which it is kept may be seen in and in Gommo's “ Gentleman's Magazine Library," Chambers's 'Book of Days' (vol. ii. p. 522). I. Manners,' pp. 209-211. believe the inscription I.H.S. is on the lid of the A thorn tree with characteristics similar to that case, and not upon the drinking-cup itself.

of Glastonbury is to be seen near one of the French Sr. SWITHIN.

rivers. St. Patrick is said to have rested under its THE HOLY THORN (8th S. iii. 125). --MR. C. shadow. This tradition is mentioned in one of the Moor notes the mention of this plant bursting failed to make a note at the time, so have forgotten

recent books treating on the apostle of Ireland. into leaf on old Christmas Eve, but does not seem

ASTARTE. to have observed the considerable correspondence where I read it. which afterwards took place in the Standard-the

There is a little ambiguity in the notes at this paper originally mentioning the interesting sub- reference. Mr. Moor quotes from the Standard ject. As I was, I believe, the first to send an

a statement that the thorn “ burst into leaf”; MR. answer to the Rector of Woodbam Ferrers, wbo BIRD says that it is reported to have" bloomed." asked the same as Mr. Moor does, viz., for some The incident recalls to mind the fact recorded in information on holy thorns in general and his in the Gentleman's Magazine for 1753 that in the preparticular, and as that answer has since been vious year the failure of the “Glastonbury Thorn' copied into scores of other papers, especially those at Quainton, in Buckinghamshire, to bloom on of a religious nature, I now offer it for insertion in December 25 led to the people of the neighbourthe pages of N. & Q. As to eye-witnesses, they hood refusing to observe Christmas according to came forth in dozens.

the new style. The festival was therefore post" Since Mr. Plumptre says he would be glad to bear poned to January 6.

O. C. B. if any correspondent could tell of any other holy thorn than bis, it may not be out of place to refer him to that old and cherished friend of most readers and writers,

THE KING AND QUEEN OF THE SANDWICH Sir Thomas Browne. In the sixth chapter of his ISLANDS (86b S. iii. 105).—From a cutting sent by

Pseudodoxia Epidemica,' commonly known as the me from the Daily News of December 7, 1892, • Inquiry into Vulgar Errours; he devotes a good deal concerning the church of St. Martin’s-in-theof discussion, as well as adding information, to the subject of holy thorns and to the Rose of Jericho, and Fields, and printed at p. 46 of the current volume he mentions the thorn at Glastonbury as doing almost of 'N. & Q.,' it seems that identically that which the thorn at Woodbam Ferrers in July, 1824, the King and Queen of the Sandwich

Many such precocious trees,' he tells us, and Isles were buried in the vaults [i, e., of that church),

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